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<blockquote data-quote="AllisterH" data-source="post: 4835063" data-attributes="member: 51325">I think the biggest similarity is HOW they present the information.For example, even though ToB is a percusor to 4e, few people equate ToB with WoW (anime, that's an entirely different thing)The format of how manoeuvers are presented more closely matches that of the typical D&amp;D presentation. Small listing of class abilities than the manoeuvers/spells are all combined for the various classes into one big section in the back of the book.4e's layout _IS_ how &quot;class&quot; information is presented in your typical computer guide nowadays. All of that class abilities including class specific talents/perks are moved under the same heading even if the powers are shared by different classes.re: 4e powers vs typical MMO talentsI would say the biggest difference is that many of the powers of the martial power source involve damage + discrete movement + condition whereas in a MMO, it is more damage + time + condition</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AllisterH, post: 4835063, member: 51325"] I think the biggest similarity is HOW they present the information. For example, even though ToB is a percusor to 4e, few people equate ToB with WoW (anime, that's an entirely different thing) The format of how manoeuvers are presented more closely matches that of the typical D&D presentation. Small listing of class abilities than the manoeuvers/spells are all combined for the various classes into one big section in the back of the book. 4e's layout _IS_ how "class" information is presented in your typical computer guide nowadays. All of that class abilities including class specific talents/perks are moved under the same heading even if the powers are shared by different classes. re: 4e powers vs typical MMO talents I would say the biggest difference is that many of the powers of the martial power source involve damage + discrete movement + condition whereas in a MMO, it is more damage + time + condition [/QUOTE]

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