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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FireLance" data-source="post: 4836964" data-attributes="member: 3424">I'd like to respond to this on two levels. First, if someone who I know is new to D&D was to show up in my game and ask to play a "wizard", I wouldn't automatically assume that he wants to play an arcane controller. The term "wizard", when used by someone who is not very familiar with D&D, might actually cover a range of concepts which are mechanically expressed as the warlock class, the sorcerer class, the swordmage class, the artificer class, and possibly even the bard class in addition to the actual wizard class. I would ask him to go into more detail about how he envisions his character functioning in the game before advising him on which class he should select for his character.Next, even if I end up with two wizards in a party, there is sufficient variation within the same class that one need not look or play like the other. There are also a number of ways for a player to define his character and make him distinct, even mechanically, beyond his choice of class: power choices, feats (multiclass feats in particular) and even hybrid characters (though still in playtest) are various ways to distinguish characters of the same class (or half class, for hybrids). And of course, there's always role-playing. I understand that it has been used, occasionally quite successfully, to make mechanically similar characters appear different in the past.Frankly, I think how the game plays is very dependent on the players and the DM. If they decide (consciously or otherwise) to ignore the role-playing element in D&D, then yes, you're going to end up with something that plays more like a skirmish game or a puzzle game. But it's not something that is unique or especially prevalent in 4e unless you believe, as I do, that the role-playing gets neglected because all the other aspects of the game have become so much more fun. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />While true, it doesn't mean that bicycle makers don't have anything to learn from car makers, either. Perhaps if car makers find some way to improve how tyres are made, bicycle makers may be able to apply that to bicycles, too.</blockquote>

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