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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aberzanzorax" data-source="post: 4837377" data-attributes="member: 64209">Ah, gotcha. So I was sort of on track? Because there were already rules that overrulled the fluff changes you wanted to make in 3e? (the -4 subdual). Essentially, though, I don't see this as a "less fluff is better" argument so much as "3e had too many specific rules" and also "4e rules let the last hit be subdual damage". So, in my opinion, it still comes back to you could refluff in either, but the crunch in 4e makes this more easily done than the crunch in 3e. Which means that more fluff in 4e would not have prevented this. Am I missing something? I'm really not trying to be snarky, but I honestly don't get why a DM would allow a fluff change in 4e but not in 3e unless it was rules driven.  The only way I could see that would be if there were a tyrant dm who would only go with canon, and allow you to fill in the blanks. e.g. "It says RIGHT HERE that that this spell looks like beams of light. YOU CAN'T HAVE IT WRITE YOUR NAME, JIM DARKMAGIC!!!"</blockquote>