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<blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 5389955" data-attributes="member: 35909">I'm another person who HATES rolling for stats.&nbsp; I've actually decided to not join games over it in the past.&nbsp; If I do play in a game with rolls, I'll ask the DM about not doing that, and certainly make my opinion known before rolling.To all the people who say rolling allows for you to play underpowered &quot;flavorful&quot; characters...why does point buy stop you from doing that?&nbsp; If you REALLY wanted to play such a concept in a point buy game, I've never heard of a DM that would force you to take the max point buy amount if you didn't want to.&nbsp; However, I've also never heard of a player asking for such a thing.&nbsp; Because when it comes down to it, no one really wants to play the gimp.&nbsp; They just &quot;make the most of it&quot; when forced to, and occasionally might end up with a memorable character.&nbsp; You could purposely gimp the PC by making a Int 17 Str 8 point buy fighter.&nbsp; But no one really desires that, so you don't see it happen.&nbsp; It really irritates me that some would make haters of rolling &quot;suck it up&quot; just so they can have their precious little limited ease to work with, rather than just set the limits themselves.&nbsp; And yet, rolling is the method that fosters more &quot;creativity.&quot;&nbsp; Excuse me while I gag.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="StreamOfTheSky, post: 5389955, member: 35909"] I'm another person who HATES rolling for stats. I've actually decided to not join games over it in the past. If I do play in a game with rolls, I'll ask the DM about not doing that, and certainly make my opinion known before rolling. To all the people who say rolling allows for you to play underpowered "flavorful" characters...why does point buy stop you from doing that? If you REALLY wanted to play such a concept in a point buy game, I've never heard of a DM that would force you to take the max point buy amount if you didn't want to. However, I've also never heard of a player asking for such a thing. Because when it comes down to it, no one really wants to play the gimp. They just "make the most of it" when forced to, and occasionally might end up with a memorable character. You could purposely gimp the PC by making a Int 17 Str 8 point buy fighter. But no one really desires that, so you don't see it happen. It really irritates me that some would make haters of rolling "suck it up" just so they can have their precious little limited ease to work with, rather than just set the limits themselves. And yet, rolling is the method that fosters more "creativity." Excuse me while I gag. [/QUOTE]

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