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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Vexed" data-source="post: 1030584" data-attributes="member: 7361">Zog said"I really don't see what the big problem is. It's a 4th level spell that you have to cast in advance (a cleric that stumbles into a room of angry monks ISN'T going to get the spell off) and clerics, if you've noticed in 3.5e, have been directed more towards defense than offense - hence the nerfing of buff spells, hold person, harm, etc. There's an implicit tradeoff and y'all need to get over it."I agree with you. Except for the (a cleric that stumbles into a room of angry monks INS'T going to get the spell off).  Being able to cast defensively (in our group) usually negates the option of getting an AOO on someone casting a spell.  Around 8th level and up trying to stop a wiz/clr from casting by hitting them with an AOO is all but useless. (for example) With no positive con mod or any other bonus, they would still have better than a 60% chance to get their highest spell off.  Anything after 12th level is whatever....... Aside from that you are right on the money.*Assuming you max out your concentration.  Its been my experience most spellcasters attempt to do this : )</blockquote>