Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Million Dollar TTRPG Crowdfunders
Most Anticipated Tabletop RPGs Of The Year
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Geek Talk & Media
Wowzers: The 1881 British Census and Jack the Ripper?
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Andrew D. Gable" data-source="post: 1478741" data-attributes="member: 4144"><p>Sorry. This gonna be a long post. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>As to this particular tidbit, there isn't much more than what I posted already, at least not until I take my trip to Britain and try to check these things out. Basically, this fits with what we know, which was that her father's name was John and her mother's Bridget, she had several siblings, she was about 25 years of age (for reference, this Mary Kelly would have been merely 22, her sister Bridget 26, and the Welsh Mary Kelly I referred to 23). Most interesting about the sister is that she's closer to the canonical age the victim was, more likely to have had a child, and furthermore, one alias of the victim was Bridget Kelly. She also said she married a coalminer by the name of Davis, and Yorkshire is prime English coal mining country. </p><p></p><p>In many ways, "Mary Kelly" (I say her name in quotes or merely 'the victim', as we can't be sure Mary Kelly was even her name) is as much an enigma as Jack himself. Of all five victims, she's the one we know absolutely nothing about - sure, there were a few people who knew her, her boyfriend and several neighbors, but that was about it. No relatives, unlike the other victims, ever came forward after her death. Her boyfriend, Joe Barnett, said once (although I can't track down the reference) that her parents did come to visit her on occasion, and that she refused to see them on all occasions. Also, it seemed she was terrified of Jack (although not really anymoreso than any other East End prostitute, likely), and after she broke up with him and he moved out of her little hovel, she shared the rooms with other prostitutes, and in fact the murder happened on only the second night she was truly alone. She was also making plans to leave London. Coupled with the fact she used aliases extensively, one has to wonder if she suspected and feared something or someone...</p><p></p><p>Tarrasque Wrangler, you said about how that doesn't fit the serial killer thing... well, "Mary Kelly" broke serial killer rules in a lot of ways. She was considerably younger than all the others (considerably - she was 25, while all the others were pushing 50). Up till this one, Jack had even a rough profile of the physical appearance of his victims, and apparently she didn't fit that. She was the only one of the victims who had her own lodgings, though she apparently barely made payments - and they were hers, her landlord John McCarthy stated that the place was rented under her name, and not that of Joe Barnett. That implies some measure of success greater than the average whore at the time. And of course, the murder was by far the most gruesome of the five. One of the main theories is that Jack burnt out in a fury of rage he unleashed on her. Really, it doesn't seem that Jack was even the one who did this, at least on the surface. But when you look at how certain things were done, it does seem to match. Jack might be a complete anomaly among serial killers from a psychological standpoint. To me, the fact she was so different implies the motive might have been different, or perhaps she was integral to why the whole cycle started in the first place. Personally, I also think it happened this way because he had to find out where she was.</p><p></p><p>John Langan was a guy arrested in France (I believe Boulogne? Is that France or Belgium?) for vagrancy. His story's given in many Ripper books and references. The French police thought he resembled Jack, so they turned him over to Scotland Yard for questioning. He fed them an alibi, and a few previous addresses. He was released after about two days, after the Yard determined his story washed. When I take my trip, I might make a stop here, too, as we have a description of the man seen with Mary Kelly immediately before her death, the man who was obviously Jack. If Langan fits that... well, the Yard'll be kicking themselves if they had Jack in custody and let him go.</p><p></p><p>To put the time of Langan's arrest in perspective, there were the first four murders in August and September, Jack took the month of October off, which is when Langan was arrested, then he came back on November 9 to kill Mary.</p><p></p><p>I'll make another post with some unexplained little coincidences about the case - and there's several.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Andrew D. Gable, post: 1478741, member: 4144"] Sorry. This gonna be a long post. ;) As to this particular tidbit, there isn't much more than what I posted already, at least not until I take my trip to Britain and try to check these things out. Basically, this fits with what we know, which was that her father's name was John and her mother's Bridget, she had several siblings, she was about 25 years of age (for reference, this Mary Kelly would have been merely 22, her sister Bridget 26, and the Welsh Mary Kelly I referred to 23). Most interesting about the sister is that she's closer to the canonical age the victim was, more likely to have had a child, and furthermore, one alias of the victim was Bridget Kelly. She also said she married a coalminer by the name of Davis, and Yorkshire is prime English coal mining country. In many ways, "Mary Kelly" (I say her name in quotes or merely 'the victim', as we can't be sure Mary Kelly was even her name) is as much an enigma as Jack himself. Of all five victims, she's the one we know absolutely nothing about - sure, there were a few people who knew her, her boyfriend and several neighbors, but that was about it. No relatives, unlike the other victims, ever came forward after her death. Her boyfriend, Joe Barnett, said once (although I can't track down the reference) that her parents did come to visit her on occasion, and that she refused to see them on all occasions. Also, it seemed she was terrified of Jack (although not really anymoreso than any other East End prostitute, likely), and after she broke up with him and he moved out of her little hovel, she shared the rooms with other prostitutes, and in fact the murder happened on only the second night she was truly alone. She was also making plans to leave London. Coupled with the fact she used aliases extensively, one has to wonder if she suspected and feared something or someone... Tarrasque Wrangler, you said about how that doesn't fit the serial killer thing... well, "Mary Kelly" broke serial killer rules in a lot of ways. She was considerably younger than all the others (considerably - she was 25, while all the others were pushing 50). Up till this one, Jack had even a rough profile of the physical appearance of his victims, and apparently she didn't fit that. She was the only one of the victims who had her own lodgings, though she apparently barely made payments - and they were hers, her landlord John McCarthy stated that the place was rented under her name, and not that of Joe Barnett. That implies some measure of success greater than the average whore at the time. And of course, the murder was by far the most gruesome of the five. One of the main theories is that Jack burnt out in a fury of rage he unleashed on her. Really, it doesn't seem that Jack was even the one who did this, at least on the surface. But when you look at how certain things were done, it does seem to match. Jack might be a complete anomaly among serial killers from a psychological standpoint. To me, the fact she was so different implies the motive might have been different, or perhaps she was integral to why the whole cycle started in the first place. Personally, I also think it happened this way because he had to find out where she was. John Langan was a guy arrested in France (I believe Boulogne? Is that France or Belgium?) for vagrancy. His story's given in many Ripper books and references. The French police thought he resembled Jack, so they turned him over to Scotland Yard for questioning. He fed them an alibi, and a few previous addresses. He was released after about two days, after the Yard determined his story washed. When I take my trip, I might make a stop here, too, as we have a description of the man seen with Mary Kelly immediately before her death, the man who was obviously Jack. If Langan fits that... well, the Yard'll be kicking themselves if they had Jack in custody and let him go. To put the time of Langan's arrest in perspective, there were the first four murders in August and September, Jack took the month of October off, which is when Langan was arrested, then he came back on November 9 to kill Mary. I'll make another post with some unexplained little coincidences about the case - and there's several. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Geek Talk & Media
Wowzers: The 1881 British Census and Jack the Ripper?
Top