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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9583567" data-attributes="member: 7030563">Well that is ok if you don't want any challanging fights.&nbsp; If you have a character that is inherently difficult to kill with damage and also virtually immune to mind control or other debilitating situations then you have a situation where you are not going to be able to challange that character.If this is intended, then it is intended that there not be balance in high level games between enemies and the party.5E was already believed to be wildly unbalanced at high level, but except Monks (who were weak in general), virtually all high level characters were vulnerable to a number of saves, including either Intelligence, Wisdom or Charisma saves even on the caster characters.&nbsp;&nbsp; I have played a lot of 5E games and I have not found spells to be as disruptive and unbalancing in high-level play as this is.&nbsp; If you have a character that essentially automatically makes all the saves they attempt, you are taking away a tool the DM can use to make it more challenging.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 9583567, member: 7030563"] Well that is ok if you don't want any challanging fights. If you have a character that is inherently difficult to kill with damage and also virtually immune to mind control or other debilitating situations then you have a situation where you are not going to be able to challange that character. If this is intended, then it is intended that there not be balance in high level games between enemies and the party. 5E was already believed to be wildly unbalanced at high level, but except Monks (who were weak in general), virtually all high level characters were vulnerable to a number of saves, including either Intelligence, Wisdom or Charisma saves even on the caster characters. I have played a lot of 5E games and I have not found spells to be as disruptive and unbalancing in high-level play as this is. If you have a character that essentially automatically makes all the saves they attempt, you are taking away a tool the DM can use to make it more challenging. [/QUOTE]

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