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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zardnaar" data-source="post: 9584997" data-attributes="member: 6716779">And do you honestly think the majority  of tables aren't using them? . I suspect why they made them more explicit was because of Beyond/BG3.  You can also read that not required in various ways. 4E required them 5E doesn't  but they're not saying the default is 0. There's no underlying math assumptions in 5E. They dud include a full page chart on items by tier. ECMO3 isn't claiming his experiences was typical. I'm goofing around with curated lists atm seeing where the sweet spot.  They couldn't duplicate it in my games but I'm not saying my ways the one true way either it's DM dependent.  If anything  I would argue by whatever you like quantity you like has been flawed since 3.0 introduced the idea.</blockquote>