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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9586091" data-attributes="member: 7030563">In this post I am capitalizing the condition &quot;Invisible&quot; and using the lower case invisible when talking about the common meaning in English.&nbsp; I hate the new &quot;Invisible&quot; rules but they are what they are.invisibility in 2024 is quite complicated and defies the common English meaning; you can actually be &quot;Invisible&quot; without being invisible.&nbsp; If you successfully hide behind a curtain or a table you are &quot;Invisible&quot; in 2024.&nbsp; By the same token if you are invisible according to English in 2024 you might not have the &quot;Invisible&quot; condition to a particular observer if they have blindsight or something else ... so you are invisible but not &quot;Invisible&quot;.In play this boils down to pretty much any time you would have been &quot;hidden&quot; in the old game, you will be &quot;Invisible&quot; in the new one and in addition any time you would be unseen but not hidden in the old game you will also be &quot;Invisible&quot; in the new game.In my character in specific I can turn invisible as an action through One With Shadows if in dim light or darkness and I do between almost every combat.&nbsp;&nbsp; Additionally I can turn invisible after casting misty step.&nbsp; If the enemy has no way of seeing invisible creatures either of these make me &quot;Invisible&quot; and lets me use Magical Ambush.&nbsp; I can also use cunning action to hide somewhere and become &quot;Invisible&quot;, as a halfling this includes hiding behind allies.If we were using the 5E definition of &quot;Invisible&quot; and the 2024 character rules it would not be easier, because it was harder to be &quot;5E Invisible&quot; than it was to be 5E &quot;Hidden&quot;.EDIT:&nbsp; Looking back at the old rules, what I was looking for was &quot;Heavily Obscured&quot;&nbsp; being invisible in 2014 5E makes you Heavily Obscured but does not make you Hidden, you need the stealth check to be Hidden and trigger magical ambush using the 2014 Arcane Trickster.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 9586091, member: 7030563"] In this post I am capitalizing the condition "Invisible" and using the lower case invisible when talking about the common meaning in English. I hate the new "Invisible" rules but they are what they are. invisibility in 2024 is quite complicated and defies the common English meaning; you can actually be "Invisible" without being invisible. If you successfully hide behind a curtain or a table you are "Invisible" in 2024. By the same token if you are invisible according to English in 2024 you might not have the "Invisible" condition to a particular observer if they have blindsight or something else ... so you are invisible but not "Invisible". In play this boils down to pretty much any time you would have been "hidden" in the old game, you will be "Invisible" in the new one and in addition any time you would be unseen but not hidden in the old game you will also be "Invisible" in the new game. In my character in specific I can turn invisible as an action through One With Shadows if in dim light or darkness and I do between almost every combat. Additionally I can turn invisible after casting misty step. If the enemy has no way of seeing invisible creatures either of these make me "Invisible" and lets me use Magical Ambush. I can also use cunning action to hide somewhere and become "Invisible", as a halfling this includes hiding behind allies. If we were using the 5E definition of "Invisible" and the 2024 character rules it would not be easier, because it was harder to be "5E Invisible" than it was to be 5E "Hidden". EDIT: Looking back at the old rules, what I was looking for was "Heavily Obscured" being invisible in 2014 5E makes you Heavily Obscured but does not make you Hidden, you need the stealth check to be Hidden and trigger magical ambush using the 2014 Arcane Trickster. [/QUOTE]

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