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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 3880952" data-attributes="member: 2525"><p>So far, except for the "rant" I posted, all the other articles are expressly favoring the writers side of the debate. I am asking that you post something that expressly favors the producers, so we can read both sides of the debate. You said so far you had "heard nothing from the studios" about an issue. OK, so, what HAVE you heard from the studios, as opposed to hearing it from the writers talking about their view of what the Studio position?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Have you seen anything from the Studios at all? On any topic? Actually from the Studios? I mean, it would be easy to say right now "I have not heard anything from the Studios saying that people should brush their teeth every day" and conclude the Studios are against brushing your teeth every day, but that would not be logical.</p><p></p><p>From what I can tell, in this thread, nobody has read the actual Studio position on this topic. They've just read the view of the writers on what the writers think the Studio position is, and that is the obvious "they are just greedy bastards". </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I disagree. It's more complicated than that. And your use of "fair share" means you are looking at it with a biased view.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Right now, that is not correct. I've read a lot of the financial documents of the studios, and the stock reports, and the dispute with Apple over it, and right now the Studios have not found a way to make the internet sales do anything other that come up with a slight loss, and sometimes a break-even. They are not currently making money from it. And the WGA position is not that they believe the Studios are currently making money from it, but that they WILL eventually make money from it, and they want a set formula in place to deal with the issue when it eventually comes up. </p><p></p><p>The Studio position (though again I would like to read more about it, from their side) seems to be that a fixed formula would be a bad idea until they can experiment with the medium and work out formulas that work for different kinds of online projects. Eisner said some interesting things on the subject that basically said "WGA is stupid for drawing a line in the sand on this issue before the issue is ripe, because they will shoot themselves in the foot just like they did with DVDs last time around". Here are some quotes:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.news.com/8301-13577_3-9812703-36.html?tag=cd.blog" target="_blank">http://www.news.com/8301-13577_3-9812703-36.html?tag=cd.blog</a></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I have not read anything at all that indicates the ads are producing a profit for the online projects. Indeed, given the Producers position that their work to distribute online is not only so far costly, but causing people to rip it off and distribute it for free and therefore decrease the viewing of the live TV shows themselves, I find it hard to believe you have read anything that shows solid evidence that it's been profitable at all so far.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 3880952, member: 2525"] So far, except for the "rant" I posted, all the other articles are expressly favoring the writers side of the debate. I am asking that you post something that expressly favors the producers, so we can read both sides of the debate. You said so far you had "heard nothing from the studios" about an issue. OK, so, what HAVE you heard from the studios, as opposed to hearing it from the writers talking about their view of what the Studio position? Have you seen anything from the Studios at all? On any topic? Actually from the Studios? I mean, it would be easy to say right now "I have not heard anything from the Studios saying that people should brush their teeth every day" and conclude the Studios are against brushing your teeth every day, but that would not be logical. From what I can tell, in this thread, nobody has read the actual Studio position on this topic. They've just read the view of the writers on what the writers think the Studio position is, and that is the obvious "they are just greedy bastards". I disagree. It's more complicated than that. And your use of "fair share" means you are looking at it with a biased view. Right now, that is not correct. I've read a lot of the financial documents of the studios, and the stock reports, and the dispute with Apple over it, and right now the Studios have not found a way to make the internet sales do anything other that come up with a slight loss, and sometimes a break-even. They are not currently making money from it. And the WGA position is not that they believe the Studios are currently making money from it, but that they WILL eventually make money from it, and they want a set formula in place to deal with the issue when it eventually comes up. The Studio position (though again I would like to read more about it, from their side) seems to be that a fixed formula would be a bad idea until they can experiment with the medium and work out formulas that work for different kinds of online projects. Eisner said some interesting things on the subject that basically said "WGA is stupid for drawing a line in the sand on this issue before the issue is ripe, because they will shoot themselves in the foot just like they did with DVDs last time around". Here are some quotes: [url]http://www.news.com/8301-13577_3-9812703-36.html?tag=cd.blog[/url] I have not read anything at all that indicates the ads are producing a profit for the online projects. Indeed, given the Producers position that their work to distribute online is not only so far costly, but causing people to rip it off and distribute it for free and therefore decrease the viewing of the live TV shows themselves, I find it hard to believe you have read anything that shows solid evidence that it's been profitable at all so far. [/QUOTE]
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