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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 3888412" data-attributes="member: 2525">It's not six one thousands of a percent.  It's actually MUCH more, when you look at the percent of PROFIT.  Which is what payments after the initial payment to work are supposed to be based on.Net matters.  Of course it matters.  Writers are paid to write stories that make money.  Like I said, your analysis is NOT the analysis supported by the writers or their union.  They do not want to pretend that DVDs are looked at in a vacuum and the net for the movie that the writer wrote is not relevant.  They would all be out of business if the industry did what you seem to be advocating.  You really do stand entirely alone in the opinion that "making a profit for a project" is not a concern for all the parties involved, including the writers.  I mean, what kind of business do you think it is where profit would not be relevant?It does.  I don't know how much more evidence you need than the entire capitalist system! Show me (and them) evidence that they are burning money for no good reason.  We would all like to see it.  Every player in Hollywood would love to see it.What makes you feel that those 5 movies would have done better than the one movie? I just showed you an example of a $30M movie that results in the same kind of failure.  It doesn't seem productive for you to ignore the example based on your own description.They are doing their best, and part of that, by agreement of the writers as well, is to consider the theatrical release, the DVDs, and all other aftermarket sales as part of the whole package and not distinct parts that should be looked at out of context in a vacuum.  You are the only one claiming each portion should make a profit on it's own - which would result in the writer's being fired en mass.Again, it's a percent of profit, not of gross, and as a percent of profit it is MUCH larger.  You're playing to a false talking point meant to manipulate you emotionally, and not a logical calculation based on the actual facts.  If it costs me $10 to make a T-shirt, and I sell the T-shirt for $11, and I give you $.50 as the artist who made the image on the shirt, you have not received 4.5%.  You received 50%.  That is reality.  That is how business works.  You get a piece of the profit of the work you contributed to, not a piece of the total sale amount.How.  Spell it out.  They want to know.  I want to know.  Writers want to know.  EVERYONE wants to know how to make the market change based on studio decision-making alone.Indeed because the market changed such that people like to watch movies from home more often, and the writers and producers and all other major players got together and they all agreed to accept that change and go with it.Prove it.  If it's not necessary, then prove to me how it is done.  I have given you numerous examples to show why it works that way.  Your turn.  Give me a link at least to anyone who agrees with your position that all theatrical releases should be profitable in and of themselves without any DVDs or other after-market stuff.  If you are right, there should be hundreds of articles on the subject.I think that is a mischaracterization of what is going on.  While I agree the writers deserve more, it is not because studios are whining  based on a sense of entitlement.  They are whinning because they are facing a massive loss of profit in recent years, with an upcoming actors and directors negotiation coming up, and a rapidly changing market based on the internet and DVRs and other new media that they don't understand yet.  They look at the audio recording industry, and TIVOs, and illegal ripping and downloads, and free media, and declining box office sales, and angry investors, and they are panicking over what could happen.  And let me tell you, most of the writers are thinking the exact same thing.  This really is a family fight.Well, they won't make sense to you, but I suspect at least that part makes sense to everyone else.  I think everyone else understands that this about shares of profit, and not about shares of gross revenue, even if they disagree with the Producer's across the board.  Gross revenue is not really relevant to the debate.  when people say "Their fair share slice of the pie" the "pie" is profits, not all the money that goes back and forth in the entire industry.  Arguing that the writers deserve more of the profit for movies and TV shows they write makes sense.  Arguing that writers deserve more money if they write stuff that bombs, because profit doesn't matter, does not make sense.  It's a capitalist business, not a collective redistribution of wealth.</blockquote>

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