Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.

Reply to thread

Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 7479689" data-attributes="member: 16814">I think this is wrong.  You're trying to split unnatural into two meanings and only argue cases where one meaning applies.  It's special pleading.In this case, you're using 'unnatural' to mean 'not in the wishes of a supernatural being' with only mankind being allowed to choose to become 'unnatural' or against these wishes.  This fails to explain the core of the Christian faith, though, where an angel turned against God and rebelled.  All things that God made in the world are according to his wishes, sure, with mankind having free will, but free will is only important because of the existence of the Adversary -- ie, there's a choice.  Prior to that choice being known, there was Eden.  So, even under this conception of 'unnatural' there are clearly things outside of the world - angels and demons, if you will - that don't adhere to the concept you're providing.  Point in fact, 'unnatural' acts are often encouraged by demons/devils to pull mortals from God's path.Looking under the 'part of the natural world', the same problems occur -- demons, devils, and angels all where not created with the world, so any fairy that is really one of those in disguise is already supernatural in origin and therefore not natural.Christian adaptations of local folklore don't cohere to your arguments that it's the fairies that are natural and worked iron that isn't.But, you still have to make the argument under these constructs that iron is unnatural.  You have two parts to your argument.  If you stand and declare that fairies are natural under some unspecified, non-Christian belief system, you still have work to do to get to iron being unnatural.I'd also like a specific concept you're referencing, because I'm having trouble coming up with one that had both nature spirits are part of nature but also only vulnerable or extra vulnerable to iron -- most could be killed normally.  The Greek and Roman myths had spirits that were definitely fearful of non-iron wielding mortals.  The mythology you pull from here has to have both natural-world spirits AND vulnerability to iron to address my questions.Yes, the question wasn't that I didn't get how a completely made-up, modern mythology could be whatever the author desired, but your's and Max's agreement that iron hurts faeries in myth because iron is unnatural.</blockquote>

Verification