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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Wulf Ratbane" data-source="post: 244910" data-attributes="member: 94">I'd just like to make it perfectly clear that my whining here isn't to say that dinkeldog's doing a bad job. He's run a successful and entertaining game for over a year, come on.But I am a rules lawyer at heart and when the rules are "wrong" I like to discuss it.As for my sneaking ability, I don't want to do "recon." I don't need to do recon, because (here we go again) we have spells for that. But I would very much like to sneak up on some bad guys and drop the whammy on 'em. I am optimized, both rules-wise and character-wise, for back-stabbing and unpleasantness, and taking sneaking out of that long chain of optimized feats and skills means that I have to be content with just flanking.Which just doesn't feel at all the same as getting the drop on somebody and whackin' 'em without pity.The problem with the Reflex save is multi-layered, because I'm grappling, and I have uncanny dodge, and I have evasion. There's a lot of stuff going on. As I said before, I didn't think it was the "wrong call" or anything at the table, I was happy to take my lumps and move on.But in retrospect, at least in my game, as long as the spell says you get a save, you get a save. I don't like trying to apply realism to a concept that is completely unrealistic in the first place. So I'm grappling and I can't dodge? That sounds reasonable. But could you please explain how in other circumstances I could be standing at the center of a fireball in the middle of a barren cave and evade the whole thing? So that makes sense, but when I'm grappling it doesn't?Point is, and forgive me for repeating myself, it's not about realism, it's about heroism. Sometimes you just get lucky (and rogues more often than not).Wulf</blockquote>

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