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<blockquote data-quote="Nail" data-source="post: 307642" data-attributes="member: 224">It's a mistake to use &quot;how it really works&quot; subjectively in RPGs.&nbsp; In the &quot;Wulf-grappled-by-a-SP&quot; example, &quot;how lightning really works&quot; directly conflicts with &quot;Wulf gets no save, 'cause he's pinned&quot;.&nbsp;&nbsp; Wanna example?&nbsp; If you are in your car, and effectively &quot;pinned&quot; (but not &quot;helpless&quot;) by your seat beat, you do get a &quot;save&quot; versus a lightning bolt hitting the car and damaging you.&nbsp; That is: sometimes people do get hurt, sometimes they don't.&nbsp; Even given all of the metal in a car conducting all of that electricity, or conversely, even with all of that insulating material between you and the lightning bolt.&nbsp; Some people die, some people get thru without so much as a singed hair.&nbsp; Go figure.In th' Wulf example, you can't apply &quot;reality&quot; to only part of what happens:&nbsp; &quot;Wulf gets no save 'cause he's pinned&quot;&nbsp; and then neglect the other part: &quot;Metalic objects may not necessarily conduct electricity into a pinned Wulf&quot;.&nbsp;&nbsp; (Pinned does not equal helpless.)An' let's be honest: Most of us are not experts on whatever part of &quot;But It Really Works That Way!&quot; we're arguing about.DMs: Stick wit' th' rules.&nbsp; Jus' suck it up.&nbsp; Players have t'do it all th' time.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Nail, post: 307642, member: 224"] It's a mistake to use "how it really works" subjectively in RPGs. In the "Wulf-grappled-by-a-SP" example, "how lightning really works" directly conflicts with "Wulf gets no save, 'cause he's pinned". Wanna example? If you are in your car, and effectively "pinned" ([i]but not "helpless"[/i]) by your seat beat, you do get a "save" versus a lightning bolt hitting the car and damaging you. That is: sometimes people do get hurt, sometimes they don't. Even given all of the metal in a car conducting all of that electricity, or conversely, even with all of that insulating material between you and the lightning bolt. Some people die, some people get thru without so much as a singed hair. Go figure. In th' Wulf example, you can't apply "reality" to only part of what happens: "Wulf gets no save 'cause he's pinned" and then neglect the other part: "Metalic objects may not necessarily conduct electricity [b]into[/b] a pinned Wulf". (Pinned does not equal helpless.) An' let's be honest: Most of us are [u]not[/u] experts on whatever part of "[b]But It Really Works That Way![/b]" we're arguing about. DMs: Stick wit' th' rules. Jus' suck it up. Players have t'do it all th' time. [/QUOTE]

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