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WW's Sorcerous Pact feat -the new Spellcasting Prodigy, or not?
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<blockquote data-quote="Kichwas" data-source="post: 1179046" data-attributes="member: 891"><p>Here's the update to Spellcasting Prodigy:</p><p><a href="http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44746&pagenumber=14#post1523790" target="_blank">http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44746&pagenumber=14#post1523790</a></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Nowhere in the feat does it say that the DM selects the spells you apply it to. Sorcerer's get to pick their spells, and they get to pick how they are used and what feats they apply to them as per the rules outlined in those feats.</p><p></p><p>If I had Spell Focus [Enchantment] a DM could not fairly say 'You cannot apply that to the DC for your Sleep spells." The limits for what I can apply this feat to are set by a theme, and a list of sample themes is supplied by the scion feats in the same book and in Dragon magazine. At best a DM could say "I don't see how that spell fits your theme." But if I use a published theme this argument is obviously unfairly biased. If I make up my own theme, then a fair DM has to deal with explaining why he feels my theme makes no sense (at the same time I have to explain why it does).</p><p></p><p>So I don't find DM control over what spells you can apply it to to be a valid balancer. For me it comes back to either the numbers themselves balance (it only applies to a few feats), or the pact can be listed out objectively and pre agreed upon to thus make it balance. If those two potential scenerios fail - it would not be balanced. </p><p></p><p></p><p>If you use the pact to balance this feat, you should outline in concrete terms exactly how this will affect the character -before- play begins. Do it in some manner that can ensure the limits come to bear as outlined and are no more -OR LESS- severe than such. In other words -as I said above- make it objective.</p><p></p><p>Otherwise you'll be left with a subjective standard that will likely be unfair either for or against the character.</p><p></p><p>If you consider the numerics of the feat to be a balancer in and of themselves then the pact is not an issue, but so far no one has taken a stand to argue this angle - possibly because no one sees any merit in it, no one sees the feat as balanced without the pact?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kichwas, post: 1179046, member: 891"] Here's the update to Spellcasting Prodigy: [url]http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44746&pagenumber=14#post1523790[/url] Nowhere in the feat does it say that the DM selects the spells you apply it to. Sorcerer's get to pick their spells, and they get to pick how they are used and what feats they apply to them as per the rules outlined in those feats. If I had Spell Focus [Enchantment] a DM could not fairly say 'You cannot apply that to the DC for your Sleep spells." The limits for what I can apply this feat to are set by a theme, and a list of sample themes is supplied by the scion feats in the same book and in Dragon magazine. At best a DM could say "I don't see how that spell fits your theme." But if I use a published theme this argument is obviously unfairly biased. If I make up my own theme, then a fair DM has to deal with explaining why he feels my theme makes no sense (at the same time I have to explain why it does). So I don't find DM control over what spells you can apply it to to be a valid balancer. For me it comes back to either the numbers themselves balance (it only applies to a few feats), or the pact can be listed out objectively and pre agreed upon to thus make it balance. If those two potential scenerios fail - it would not be balanced. If you use the pact to balance this feat, you should outline in concrete terms exactly how this will affect the character -before- play begins. Do it in some manner that can ensure the limits come to bear as outlined and are no more -OR LESS- severe than such. In other words -as I said above- make it objective. Otherwise you'll be left with a subjective standard that will likely be unfair either for or against the character. If you consider the numerics of the feat to be a balancer in and of themselves then the pact is not an issue, but so far no one has taken a stand to argue this angle - possibly because no one sees any merit in it, no one sees the feat as balanced without the pact? [/QUOTE]
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