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<blockquote data-quote="Cap'n Kobold" data-source="post: 8607386" data-attributes="member: 6802951">Yep. I first had this pointed out a while ago as we were playing a short campaign. I was playing a &quot;utility wizard&quot; with the intent of supporting the party and it got to the point that the DM and several of the players approached me and asked if I could turn it down a few notches in terms of trying to be helpful.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":-)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :-)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":-)" /> I wasn't dominating in the damage department, apart from the few occasions I tossed a fireball, but in terms of controlling the encounters and out of combat, my character was getting almost all of the spotlight. Changing the cadence of the adventuring day wasn't an option because of the limited healing of the group, leaving my wizard with plenty of spell slots to run rampant over most of the challenges. Fortunately the artificer wizard subclass UA had come out recently, so I switched subclasses and was able to burn more spell slots off on healing and direct support for the rest of the group.After that, I made a point of playing more martial characters for the higher-level games to see if was really as bad as my party had said. To cut the story short - it was.Now, our group doesn't often do straightforward dungeon crawls, and I'm pretty sure that in your standard beatfest through a series of rooms/tunnels/catacombs, this problem isn't going to appear, particularly if you play a full adventuring day. When repeatedly killing things is the primary challenge, the classes that excel at rolling to hit and damage get to do that a lot.In a more sandboxy campaign, or where challenges become more investigative, exploratory or similar however, martial classes get much less ability to influence the world or solve problems.Ultimately, groups and their playstyles are so varied that we can't say &quot;This problem doesn't exist&quot; or &quot;This is a problem for all groups&quot;. Most of the discussion about the issue has moved on to what to do about it for the people for whom it is a concern.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cap'n Kobold, post: 8607386, member: 6802951"] Yep. I first had this pointed out a while ago as we were playing a short campaign. I was playing a "utility wizard" with the intent of supporting the party and it got to the point that the DM and several of the players approached me and asked if I could turn it down a few notches in terms of trying to be helpful. :-) I wasn't dominating in the damage department, apart from the few occasions I tossed a fireball, but in terms of controlling the encounters and out of combat, my character was getting almost all of the spotlight. Changing the cadence of the adventuring day wasn't an option because of the limited healing of the group, leaving my wizard with plenty of spell slots to run rampant over most of the challenges. Fortunately the artificer wizard subclass UA had come out recently, so I switched subclasses and was able to burn more spell slots off on healing and direct support for the rest of the group. After that, I made a point of playing more martial characters for the higher-level games to see if was really as bad as my party had said. To cut the story short - it was. Now, our group doesn't often do straightforward dungeon crawls, and I'm pretty sure that in your standard beatfest through a series of rooms/tunnels/catacombs, this problem isn't going to appear, particularly if you play a full adventuring day. When repeatedly killing things is the primary challenge, the classes that excel at rolling to hit and damage get to do that a lot. In a more sandboxy campaign, or where challenges become more investigative, exploratory or similar however, martial classes get much less ability to influence the world or solve problems. Ultimately, groups and their playstyles are so varied that we can't say "This problem doesn't exist" or "This is a problem for all groups". Most of the discussion about the issue has moved on to what to do about it for the people for whom it is a concern. [/QUOTE]

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