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<blockquote data-quote="Stormdale" data-source="post: 7297534" data-attributes="member: 3555">Or did you not once you realised you were in way over your head retreat! Not all encounters are designed to be &quot;balanced&quot; vs party level/abilities and not everything needs to be tackled head on so I'm not judging your DM's rulings but am questioning the players decision making. As for using the book, his table, his rules. If he doesn't want to use it then you've 2 options:1) find another game2) Try DMing yourself.My rule for the past 30 years has been simple (through 2e, 3e&nbsp; and now 5e) PHB only. That's the beginning and end of all spalyt book discussions. I've bought Xanathar's and may allow bits of it to be used on a case by case basis but there is nothing forcing me as DM to accept it. When my players grumble about my old school race/class limits, as they do occasionally, my reply is simple. If you don't like it find another DM. I've been running my campaign(s) for 30+ years I'm not allowing dwarven wizards, dragonborn or whatever their latest &quot;fad&quot; is. We do discuss and negotiate a lot of stuff but when it comes to classes/races or books that will impact on my long established campaign history/canon/verisimilitude etc the answer is likley to be a no with an explanation of why not. IMO Owning a non core book does not give you the right to demand you DM allow it. However,&nbsp; if you show it to your DM and the class option you want to try and why you'd like to play it then maybe, just maybe,&nbsp; they will relent. Stormdale</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Stormdale, post: 7297534, member: 3555"] Or did you not once you realised you were in way over your head retreat! Not all encounters are designed to be "balanced" vs party level/abilities and not everything needs to be tackled head on so I'm not judging your DM's rulings but am questioning the players decision making. As for using the book, his table, his rules. If he doesn't want to use it then you've 2 options: 1) find another game 2) Try DMing yourself. My rule for the past 30 years has been simple (through 2e, 3e and now 5e) PHB only. That's the beginning and end of all spalyt book discussions. I've bought Xanathar's and may allow bits of it to be used on a case by case basis but there is nothing forcing me as DM to accept it. When my players grumble about my old school race/class limits, as they do occasionally, my reply is simple. If you don't like it find another DM. I've been running my campaign(s) for 30+ years I'm not allowing dwarven wizards, dragonborn or whatever their latest "fad" is. We do discuss and negotiate a lot of stuff but when it comes to classes/races or books that will impact on my long established campaign history/canon/verisimilitude etc the answer is likley to be a no with an explanation of why not. IMO Owning a non core book does not give you the right to demand you DM allow it. However, if you show it to your DM and the class option you want to try and why you'd like to play it then maybe, just maybe, they will relent. Stormdale [/QUOTE]

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