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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dausuul" data-source="post: 7279423" data-attributes="member: 58197">Okay, let's try barbarian 5/war wizard 2 versus barbarian 7. What's the trade? (I'll go with totem barbarian since most folks seem to think that's the best option.)What you lose:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Five stat points that must be diverted to your class's natural dump stat</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">6 hit points, which is about 9% of your total (assuming Con 14)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">One daily use of rage, which is 25% of your total</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Advantage on initiative rolls</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The ability to negate surprise by raging</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">A very minor ribbon ability from totem barbarian</li> </ul>What you get:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">+2 AC and/or +4 to saves, at the cost of your reaction (since you only use this ability if you get hit or fail a save, and you can use it every round, it's close to a continuous bonus)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">+1 to initiative (assuming you put the minimum required in Int)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Three wizard cantrips</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Four 1st-level spell slots (including Arcane Recovery)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The ability to cast 1st-level wizard rituals</li> </ul>The big gains are the AC/saving throw bonus, and ritual casting. The big costs are the stat point investment, going from 4 rages/day to 3, and the initiative/surprise benefits (advantage on initiative is way, way better than a mere +1). I think the stat points push it over the line to "not worth it." Still, if you rolled for stats and have a spare 13 floating around, this might be a neat way to go.</blockquote>

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