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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Brown Jenkin" data-source="post: 4435453" data-attributes="member: 2572">Granted he came up with ideas, but the main story and the real focus is Achilles. Like other sidekicks they can do some things and come up with good ideas. For the recruiting, Odysseus did not want to go and almost successfully managed to convince everyone he was mad so he wouldn't have to go. Part of the point in recruiting Odysseus as well was so that he would help recruit Achilles who was the main character of the story. Odysseus did do some of the fighting, but it is Achilles, Ajax, Diomedes and others that get the most of the battle write-ups. As he relates to Xander and Sam I think he is close and deserves consideration if for nothing else being at the foundation of all future storytelling. Both Xander and Sam also come up with good ideas and fight alongside others. Neither of them are ordinary and by the end of their stories both are heroes as well. Pretty much by definition ordinary guys don't become heroes. Saying someone is a hero after the fact doesn't take away from where they started and what they had to deal with. Odysseus was surrounded by demi-gods and truly superior companions when he started. Maybe compared to the average Greek citizen he was better but compared to who he was fighting with he was ordinary. Achilles, Ajax, and Hector these were PC Fighter classed characters, in comparison Odysseus was an NPC class character. By the Odyssey, Odysseus was a high level NPC class traveling with a band of low to mid level Warriors and Experts.</blockquote>

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