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<blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 6731651" data-attributes="member: 463">I find with my FR 4e group, the scope of what the PCs are doing has not changed much from mid-Paragon (Demon Queen's Enclave) to current 25th level - they are currently overthrowing the rulership of drow city Ched Nasad, menaced by Orcus demons, and it's a lot like the stuff they were doing in Phaervorul 12 levels previously. NPC statting is done relative to the PCs, so drow guards who would have been 13th level standard monsters 12 levels ago are now 21st level minions with about the same xp value. When I say the mechanics don't support the fiction in 4e, I mean that mechanical statting all has to be done subjectively - relatively to the PCs - rather than there being an objective sense of &quot;these are the stats a drow guard has&quot;, the way it works in other editions.3e/PF is much worse - in PF a 6th level adventure will have 3rd level drow guards and an 18th level adventure will have 12th level drow guards to provide a challenge to the PCs, but the existence of an army of 12th level drow guards would have a huge impact on the game world.In 5e you can use the same drow guard stats at 6th level and at 18th, I like that.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="S'mon, post: 6731651, member: 463"] I find with my FR 4e group, the scope of what the PCs are doing has not changed much from mid-Paragon (Demon Queen's Enclave) to current 25th level - they are currently overthrowing the rulership of drow city Ched Nasad, menaced by Orcus demons, and it's a lot like the stuff they were doing in Phaervorul 12 levels previously. NPC statting is done relative to the PCs, so drow guards who would have been 13th level standard monsters 12 levels ago are now 21st level minions with about the same xp value. When I say the mechanics don't support the fiction in 4e, I mean that mechanical statting all has to be done subjectively - relatively to the PCs - rather than there being an objective sense of "these are the stats a drow guard has", the way it works in other editions. 3e/PF is much worse - in PF a 6th level adventure will have 3rd level drow guards and an 18th level adventure will have 12th level drow guards to provide a challenge to the PCs, but the existence of an army of 12th level drow guards would have a huge impact on the game world. In 5e you can use the same drow guard stats at 6th level and at 18th, I like that. [/QUOTE]

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