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<blockquote data-quote="Greenfield" data-source="post: 6497148" data-attributes="member: 6669384">What's the Wiz level?How did he create such a bomb?&nbsp; Was it magic?&nbsp; Alchemy?&nbsp; Physics?&nbsp; (If you've followed any of my rules tirades, you know what I think of trying to employ hard physics in a fantasy game where magic exists.)The game mechanic for the weapon is important, since that may establish the Save DC for the &quot;Burst&quot; effect.&nbsp; (I think a bomb is like, the definition of a &quot;Burst&quot; effect, don't you?)&nbsp; If it's something chemical/alchemical/physics based the Save could be quite low.&nbsp; And, by the rules, creatures with hard cover against a burst can gain Evasion or even Improved Evasion against its effects.&nbsp; Depending on how hard the cover is and how much damage the bomb does, they may not even need a Save.&nbsp; Castle walls tend to be thick, and stone isn't easy to break.&nbsp; Add the fact that most effects do half damage to objects (except when they do quarter), one or two intervening walls might block the blast entirely.Presuming that it could break through the castle walls, and truly destroy a city, how did he &quot;launch&quot; the bomb?&nbsp; If he was in the same &quot;large city&quot; as the castle, were he and the party in the blast radius?Are we even certain that the bomb detonated?&nbsp; If it's done with gunpowder or some similar explosive, there probably wasn't any way to test it.*** A lot of what's being proposed, by me and everyone else, is an open abuse by the DM.&nbsp; You allowed it, you should live with the results.While a DM can't be &quot;wrong&quot; regarding any given rule interpretation at his or her table, we've all seen DMs make some very bad rulings.&nbsp; Not to jump on you, but in my opinion, allowing such a bomb from less than an Epic level was a bad decision in the first place.&nbsp; Too late now, of course, unless you just want to have their High Priest use a Miracle to turn back time so he can divert the bomb elsewhere.If it was an Epic level, he could have killed them all by himself anyway.&nbsp; All he did was destroy all of the loot potential of the castle and inflict property damage in the hundreds of thousands of GP.&nbsp; (Look at the rules for building a castle:&nbsp; Those things are expensive)Note that Bugbears aren't worth any Exp for Epic level characters.&nbsp; If he had encountered them en mass they might have been worth something.&nbsp; Might...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Greenfield, post: 6497148, member: 6669384"] What's the Wiz level? How did he create such a bomb? Was it magic? Alchemy? Physics? (If you've followed any of my rules tirades, you know what I think of trying to employ hard physics in a fantasy game where magic exists.) The game mechanic for the weapon is important, since that may establish the Save DC for the "Burst" effect. (I think a bomb is like, the definition of a "Burst" effect, don't you?) If it's something chemical/alchemical/physics based the Save could be quite low. And, by the rules, creatures with hard cover against a burst can gain Evasion or even Improved Evasion against its effects. Depending on how hard the cover is and how much damage the bomb does, they may not even need a Save. Castle walls tend to be thick, and stone isn't easy to break. Add the fact that most effects do half damage to objects (except when they do quarter), one or two intervening walls might block the blast entirely. Presuming that it could break through the castle walls, and truly destroy a city, how did he "launch" the bomb? If he was in the same "large city" as the castle, were he and the party in the blast radius? Are we even certain that the bomb detonated? If it's done with gunpowder or some similar explosive, there probably wasn't any way to test it. *** A lot of what's being proposed, by me and everyone else, is an open abuse by the DM. You allowed it, you should live with the results. While a DM can't be "wrong" regarding any given rule interpretation at his or her table, we've all seen DMs make some very bad rulings. Not to jump on you, but in my opinion, allowing such a bomb from less than an Epic level was a bad decision in the first place. Too late now, of course, unless you just want to have their High Priest use a Miracle to turn back time so he can divert the bomb elsewhere. If it was an Epic level, he could have killed them all by himself anyway. All he did was destroy all of the loot potential of the castle and inflict property damage in the hundreds of thousands of GP. (Look at the rules for building a castle: Those things are [B]expensive[/B]) Note that Bugbears aren't worth any Exp for Epic level characters. If he had encountered them en mass they might have been worth something. Might... [/QUOTE]

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