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<blockquote data-quote="FormerlyHemlock" data-source="post: 6806009" data-attributes="member: 6787650"><p>Here's the actual monsters-per-level for 2nd edition, assuming that you're always fighting monsters with HD = your level. (Of course in AD&D, you never fight monsters strictly of HD = your own level. The whole idea of CR and a "balanced encounter" is foreign to the AD&D mindset; monsters just are what they are, where they are. But for the sake of analysis I am ignoring this fact.)</p><p></p><p>Table 7 (how much faster 5E advancement is than 2nd edition) is the most interesting table.</p><p></p><p>[CODE]Table 1</p><p>Additional XP required to advance to next level in AD&D 2nd edition</p><p>Level Fighter Paladin Cleric Wizard</p><p>1 2000 2250 1500 2500</p><p>2 2000 2250 1500 2500</p><p>3 4000 4500 3000 5000</p><p>4 8000 9000 7000 10000</p><p>5 16000 18000 14500 20000</p><p>6 32000 34000 27500 20000</p><p>7 61000 75000 55000 30000</p><p>8 125000 150000 110000 45000</p><p>9 250000 300000 225000 115000</p><p>10 250000 300000 225000 125000</p><p></p><p>Table 2</p><p>XP per hit dice in AD&D 2nd edition</p><p>HD XP</p><p>1 15</p><p>2 35</p><p>3 65</p><p>4 120</p><p>5 175</p><p>6 270</p><p>7 420</p><p>8 650</p><p>9 975</p><p>10 1400</p><p></p><p>Table 3</p><p>Same-level monsters required to advance to next level in AD&D 2nd edition (table 1 divided by table 2)</p><p>Level Fighter Paladin Cleric Wizard</p><p>1 134 150 100 167</p><p>2 58 65 43 72</p><p>3 62 70 47 77</p><p>4 67 75 59 84</p><p>5 92 103 83 115</p><p>6 119 126 102 75</p><p>7 146 179 131 72</p><p>8 193 231 170 70</p><p>9 257 308 231 118</p><p>10 179 215 161 90</p><p></p><p>Table 4</p><p>5E XP for AD&D 2nd edition-equivalent monster</p><p>(AD&D orcs were weaker relative to PCs than a 5E orc, so I'm using CR=two steps below level as an equivalent for equal HD even though that makes AD&D orcs equivalent CR 1/4 monsters instead of CR 1/2)</p><p>PC level Equivalent CR XP</p><p>1 0.25 25</p><p>2 0.5 50</p><p>3 1 100</p><p>4 2 200</p><p>5 3 450</p><p>6 4 700</p><p>7 5 1100</p><p>8 6 1800</p><p>9 7 2300</p><p>10 8 2900</p><p></p><p>Table 5</p><p>AD&D 2nd edition-equivalent level advancement tables in 5E (table 3 times table 4)</p><p>How many 5E XP monster experience a 2nd edition PC would need to earn to advance to the next level</p><p>Level Fighter Paladin Cleric Wizard</p><p>1 3350 3750 2500 4175</p><p>2 2900 3250 2150 3600</p><p>3 6200 7000 4700 7700</p><p>4 13400 15000 11800 16800</p><p>5 41400 46350 37350 51750</p><p>6 83300 88200 71400 52500</p><p>7 160600 196900 144100 79200</p><p>8 347400 415800 306000 126000</p><p>9 591100 708400 531300 271400</p><p>10 519100 623500 466900 261000</p><p></p><p>Table 6</p><p>Additional XP required to advance to next level in 5th edition</p><p>Level XP</p><p>1 300</p><p>2 600</p><p>3 1800</p><p>4 3800</p><p>5 7500</p><p>6 9000</p><p>7 11000</p><p>8 14000</p><p>9 26000</p><p>10 21000</p><p></p><p>[B]Table 7</p><p>(Rough measure of) How much faster advancement is in D&D 5th edition than AD&D 2nd edition (table 5 divided by table 6)</p><p>Level Fighter Paladin Cleric Wizard</p><p>1 11.17 12.5 8.33 13.92</p><p>2 4.83 5.42 3.58 6.0</p><p>3 3.44 3.89 2.61 4.28</p><p>4 3.53 3.95 3.11 4.42</p><p>5 5.52 6.18 4.98 6.9</p><p>6 9.26 9.8 7.93 5.83</p><p>7 14.6 17.9 13.1 7.2</p><p>8 24.81 29.7 21.86 9.0</p><p>9 22.73 27.25 20.43 10.44</p><p>10 24.72 29.69 22.23 12.43</p><p>[/B]</p><p>[/CODE]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FormerlyHemlock, post: 6806009, member: 6787650"] Here's the actual monsters-per-level for 2nd edition, assuming that you're always fighting monsters with HD = your level. (Of course in AD&D, you never fight monsters strictly of HD = your own level. The whole idea of CR and a "balanced encounter" is foreign to the AD&D mindset; monsters just are what they are, where they are. But for the sake of analysis I am ignoring this fact.) Table 7 (how much faster 5E advancement is than 2nd edition) is the most interesting table. [CODE]Table 1 Additional XP required to advance to next level in AD&D 2nd edition Level Fighter Paladin Cleric Wizard 1 2000 2250 1500 2500 2 2000 2250 1500 2500 3 4000 4500 3000 5000 4 8000 9000 7000 10000 5 16000 18000 14500 20000 6 32000 34000 27500 20000 7 61000 75000 55000 30000 8 125000 150000 110000 45000 9 250000 300000 225000 115000 10 250000 300000 225000 125000 Table 2 XP per hit dice in AD&D 2nd edition HD XP 1 15 2 35 3 65 4 120 5 175 6 270 7 420 8 650 9 975 10 1400 Table 3 Same-level monsters required to advance to next level in AD&D 2nd edition (table 1 divided by table 2) Level Fighter Paladin Cleric Wizard 1 134 150 100 167 2 58 65 43 72 3 62 70 47 77 4 67 75 59 84 5 92 103 83 115 6 119 126 102 75 7 146 179 131 72 8 193 231 170 70 9 257 308 231 118 10 179 215 161 90 Table 4 5E XP for AD&D 2nd edition-equivalent monster (AD&D orcs were weaker relative to PCs than a 5E orc, so I'm using CR=two steps below level as an equivalent for equal HD even though that makes AD&D orcs equivalent CR 1/4 monsters instead of CR 1/2) PC level Equivalent CR XP 1 0.25 25 2 0.5 50 3 1 100 4 2 200 5 3 450 6 4 700 7 5 1100 8 6 1800 9 7 2300 10 8 2900 Table 5 AD&D 2nd edition-equivalent level advancement tables in 5E (table 3 times table 4) How many 5E XP monster experience a 2nd edition PC would need to earn to advance to the next level Level Fighter Paladin Cleric Wizard 1 3350 3750 2500 4175 2 2900 3250 2150 3600 3 6200 7000 4700 7700 4 13400 15000 11800 16800 5 41400 46350 37350 51750 6 83300 88200 71400 52500 7 160600 196900 144100 79200 8 347400 415800 306000 126000 9 591100 708400 531300 271400 10 519100 623500 466900 261000 Table 6 Additional XP required to advance to next level in 5th edition Level XP 1 300 2 600 3 1800 4 3800 5 7500 6 9000 7 11000 8 14000 9 26000 10 21000 [B]Table 7 (Rough measure of) How much faster advancement is in D&D 5th edition than AD&D 2nd edition (table 5 divided by table 6) Level Fighter Paladin Cleric Wizard 1 11.17 12.5 8.33 13.92 2 4.83 5.42 3.58 6.0 3 3.44 3.89 2.61 4.28 4 3.53 3.95 3.11 4.42 5 5.52 6.18 4.98 6.9 6 9.26 9.8 7.93 5.83 7 14.6 17.9 13.1 7.2 8 24.81 29.7 21.86 9.0 9 22.73 27.25 20.43 10.44 10 24.72 29.69 22.23 12.43 [/B] [/CODE] [/QUOTE]
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