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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jimlock" data-source="post: 5710293" data-attributes="member: 6674931">No we are not! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />What can I say. I HONESTLY don't want to sound stubborn or anything, but I still believe that a +4 on ALL saves is more powerful than the above.Since you want to compare this Saving-throw-booster racial ability to a feat, lets compare it with a Saving-throw-booster feat.In PHB there are those three feats (Great Fortitude, Iron Will, Lightning Reflexes) that grant you each a +2 on a SINGLE save.... and what do Elans get with their LA+0? They get +4 an ALL THREE saves! Is it me... or is this a package of 6 feats into 1? Moreover, Elans, with a single feat can raise this to a total of +6 for ALL saves... another gift package of 3 feats into 1! Nice right? And what's the downside? 1PP and an immediate action? come on...[MENTION=478]Thanee[/MENTION] mentioned Superior Resistance from SC. Despite the fact that I personally think that this is a somewhat broken spell, it is important to mention that Superior Resistance, grants "resistance bonus", which means that it does not stack with most (if not all) the magical trinkets that boost saves. Then Elan Resistance (Su) OTOH, is a racial bonus that stacks with everything. So you can have an Elan whom with a single feat and a cloak of resistance or Superior Resistance can boost ALL his saves up to +10/+11... without counting the base save scores, and without counting ability modifiers... ( and without trying to find anything else that can make this number bigger...)Now from my perspective, a character who succeeds on all his saves with everything but a 1 is broken.As for the quotes you brought forth:Yes... so?They had to take away something, and that something is not such a big deal in respect to what you get.I'm sorry, but IMHO, this argument sounds lame.First things first: I never said that "Resilience" was a great ability. One need only do the math to see how Vigor is superior by far. From the beginning I'm talking about "Resistance (Su)". Everyone is smart enough to understand that's it's better to keep your immediate action for a save. Also everyone is smart enough to understand that you don't lose actions and PP for "Resilience" when Vigor gives you far more HPs for much less PPs. So by arguing that:'in case you use "Resilience", you can't use "Resistance (Su)" so as to prove that "Resistance (Su)" is not overpowered... is a weak argument IMHO.One will rarely use "Resilience" and only as a last resort, right before he's ready to meet his death. In that case, no, he will not be able to boost his saves on the next round... So? You can't have everything. That doesn't mean "Resilience" is useless.Again, IMHO, this argument is lame. First off he forgot to mention the P.Warrior, but ... no biggie .OF COURSE ....Elans are a race to use with psionics."taking away power points used to"... ??? We are talking about a SINGLE PP for ALL saves, for an entire round (not just the character's turn)... when a Psion's PPs by 10th level is in the 100s.Let's not make a drama out of this...Mostly wrong."Resistance (Su)" is not for extreme emergencies only.Sleeping for 4 hours instead of 8 is not for extreme emergencies only.Not being affected by spells and powers that affect humanoids only ("blah blah person" and more) IS a big deal and NOT for extreme emergencies only."Resilience" OTOH is.As is Repletion (Su)... and that's about it. Even so... When an ability is used in extreme emergencies only, does not mean that the ability is less potent.All that goes back to 0 with a -2 on charisma? I don't think so... Could be interesting...but I stopped reading once I got here:No Comments.</blockquote>

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