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<blockquote data-quote="Grundar" data-source="post: 1603058" data-attributes="member: 18997">Ugh, I just found out that creatures with more than 1HD don't get a feat when gaining their first class level.. The thri-kreen already has an extra feat due to racial HD. They get deflect arrows at ECL1, then another feat at ECL3. So the next feat should come in at ECL6 which is class level 2.. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown&nbsp; &nbsp; :("&nbsp; data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /> Anyway heres some more data to digest, showing the four different level progressions with LA+1, LA+1 with buyoff, LA+2, LA+2 with buyoff.. I'm thinking its probably better to get rid of the LA if i'm planning to go epic. It saves some xp in the long run. The numbers right before the class levels are the ECL values of my character at that class level. I think i have it all correct, but please let me know if it isn't.LA+1 2d8 HD +2&nbsp; 0 3 3&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 4PW1&nbsp;&nbsp; +2&nbsp; 2 3 3 feat&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp; 1st&nbsp; &nbsp; 5PW2&nbsp;&nbsp; +3&nbsp; 3 3 3 feat&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp; 1st&nbsp; 6PW3&nbsp;&nbsp; +4&nbsp; 3 4 4&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 3&nbsp; 1st feat7PW4&nbsp;&nbsp; +5&nbsp; 4 4 4&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; 2nd 8PW5&nbsp;&nbsp; +5&nbsp; 4 4 4 feat&nbsp;&nbsp; 7&nbsp; 2nd&nbsp;&nbsp; 9PW6&nbsp;&nbsp; +6&nbsp; 5 5 5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 11 2nd feat&nbsp;&nbsp; 10PW7&nbsp; +7&nbsp; 5 5 5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 15 3rd11PW8&nbsp; +8&nbsp; 6 5 5 feat&nbsp;&nbsp; 19 3rd12IS1&nbsp; +9&nbsp; 6 5 7&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; feat&nbsp; fav(ill)+2, illitid sense 13IS2&nbsp; +10 6 5 8&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 23 3rd&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Brain nausea14IS3&nbsp; +11 7 6 8&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 27 4th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Lucid buffer15IS4&nbsp; +12 7 6 9&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 35 4th feat&nbsp; fav(ill)+416IS5&nbsp; +13 7 6 9&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 43 4th&nbsp;&nbsp; 17IS6&nbsp; +14 8 7 10&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 51 5th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Cerebral blind18IS7&nbsp; +15 8 7 10&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 59 5th feat&nbsp; fav(ill)+619IS8&nbsp; +16 8 7 11&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 67 5th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Breach PR20IS9&nbsp; +17 9 8 11&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 79 6th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Cerebral immunity21IS1022PW923PW10LA+1 with buyoff2d8 HD +2&nbsp; 0 3 3&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 4PW1&nbsp;&nbsp; +2&nbsp; 2 3 3 feat&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp; 1st&nbsp; &nbsp; 5PW2&nbsp;&nbsp; +3&nbsp; 3 3 3 feat&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp; 1st&nbsp; 5PW3&nbsp;&nbsp; +4&nbsp; 3 4 4&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 3&nbsp; 1st&nbsp; payoff LA 40006PW4&nbsp;&nbsp; +5&nbsp; 4 4 4&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; 2nd feat7PW5&nbsp;&nbsp; +5&nbsp; 4 4 4 feat&nbsp;&nbsp; 7&nbsp; 2nd&nbsp;&nbsp; 8PW6&nbsp;&nbsp; +6&nbsp; 5 5 5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 11 2nd&nbsp; 9IS1&nbsp; +7&nbsp; 5 5 7&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; feat&nbsp; fav(ill)+2, illitid sense 10IS2&nbsp; +8&nbsp; 5 5 8&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 15 3rd&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Brain nausea11IS3&nbsp; +9&nbsp; 6 6 8&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 19 3rd&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Lucid buffer12IS4&nbsp; +10 6 6 9&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 23 3rd feat&nbsp; fav(ill)+413IS5&nbsp; +11 6 6 9&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 27 4th&nbsp;&nbsp; 14IS6&nbsp; +12 7 7 10&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 35 4th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Cerebral blind15IS7&nbsp; +13 7 7 10&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 43 4th feat&nbsp; fav(ill)+616IS8&nbsp; +14 7 7 11&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 51 5th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Breach PR17IS9&nbsp; +15 8 8 11&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 59 5th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Cerebral immunity18IS10 +16 8 8 12&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 67 5th feat&nbsp; fav(ill)+8, Blast feedback19PW7&nbsp; +17 8 8 12&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 79 6th20PW8&nbsp; +18 9 8 12 feat&nbsp; 91 6th21PW922PW10LA+22d8 HD +2&nbsp; 0 3 3&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 5PW1&nbsp;&nbsp; +2&nbsp; 2 3 3 feat&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp; 1st&nbsp; &nbsp; 6PW2&nbsp;&nbsp; +3&nbsp; 3 3 3 feat&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp; 1st feat7PW3&nbsp;&nbsp; +4&nbsp; 3 4 4&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 3&nbsp; 1st&nbsp; 8PW4&nbsp;&nbsp; +5&nbsp; 4 4 4&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; 2nd9PW5&nbsp;&nbsp; +5&nbsp; 4 4 4 feat&nbsp;&nbsp; 7&nbsp; 2nd feat&nbsp; 10PW6&nbsp; +6&nbsp; 5 5 5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 11 2nd 11IS1&nbsp; +7&nbsp; 5 5 7&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; fav(ill)+2, illitid sense 12IS2&nbsp; +8&nbsp; 5 5 8&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 15 3rd feat&nbsp; Brain nausea13IS3&nbsp; +9&nbsp; 6 6 8&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 19 3rd&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Lucid buffer14IS4&nbsp; +10 6 6 9&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 23 3rd&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; fav(ill)+415IS5&nbsp; +11 6 6 9&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 27 4th feat&nbsp; 16IS6&nbsp; +12 7 7 10&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 35 4th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Cerebral blind17IS7&nbsp; +13 7 7 10&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 43 4th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; fav(ill)+618IS8&nbsp; +14 7 7 11&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 51 5th feat&nbsp; Breach PR19IS9&nbsp; +15 8 8 11&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 59 5th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Cerebral immunity20IS10 +16 8 8 12&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 67 5th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; fav(ill)+8, Blast feedback21PW722PW823PW924PW10LA+2 with buyoff2d8 HD +2&nbsp; 0 3 3&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 5PW1&nbsp;&nbsp; +2&nbsp; 2 3 3 feat&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp; 1st&nbsp; &nbsp; 6PW2&nbsp;&nbsp; +3&nbsp; 3 3 3 feat&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp; 1st feat7PW3&nbsp;&nbsp; +4&nbsp; 3 4 4&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 3&nbsp; 1st 8PW4&nbsp;&nbsp; +5&nbsp; 4 4 4&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; 2nd9PW5&nbsp;&nbsp; +5&nbsp; 4 4 4 feat&nbsp;&nbsp; 7&nbsp; 2nd feat9PW6&nbsp; +6&nbsp; 5 5 5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 11 2nd payoff 900010IS1&nbsp; +7&nbsp; 5 5 7&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; fav(ill)+2, illitid sense 11IS2&nbsp; +8&nbsp; 5 5 8&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 15 3rd&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Brain nausea11IS3&nbsp; +9&nbsp; 6 6 8&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 19 3rd payoff LA 11000 Lucid buffer12PW7&nbsp; +10 6 6 8&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 23 3rd feat&nbsp; fav(ill)+413PW8&nbsp; +11 7 6 8 feat&nbsp;&nbsp; 27 4th&nbsp;&nbsp; 14IS4&nbsp; +12 7 6 9&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 35 4th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Cerebral blind15IS5&nbsp; +13 7 6 9&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 43 4th feat&nbsp; fav(ill)+616IS6&nbsp; +14 8 7 10&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 51 5th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Breach PR17IS7&nbsp; +15 7 7 10&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 59 5th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Cerebral immunity18IS8&nbsp; +16 8 7 11&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 67 5th feat&nbsp; fav(ill)+8, Blast feedback19IS9&nbsp; +17 9 8 11&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 79 6th20IS10 +18 9 8 12&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 91 6th21PW922PW10</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Grundar, post: 1603058, member: 18997"] Ugh, I just found out that creatures with more than 1HD don't get a feat when gaining their first class level.. The thri-kreen already has an extra feat due to racial HD. They get deflect arrows at ECL1, then another feat at ECL3. So the next feat should come in at ECL6 which is class level 2.. :( Anyway heres some more data to digest, showing the four different level progressions with LA+1, LA+1 with buyoff, LA+2, LA+2 with buyoff.. I'm thinking its probably better to get rid of the LA if i'm planning to go epic. It saves some xp in the long run. The numbers right before the class levels are the ECL values of my character at that class level. I think i have it all correct, but please let me know if it isn't. LA+1 2d8 HD +2 0 3 3 4PW1 +2 2 3 3 feat 0 1st 5PW2 +3 3 3 3 feat 1 1st 6PW3 +4 3 4 4 3 1st feat 7PW4 +5 4 4 4 5 2nd 8PW5 +5 4 4 4 feat 7 2nd 9PW6 +6 5 5 5 11 2nd feat 10PW7 +7 5 5 5 15 3rd 11PW8 +8 6 5 5 feat 19 3rd 12IS1 +9 6 5 7 feat fav(ill)+2, illitid sense 13IS2 +10 6 5 8 23 3rd Brain nausea 14IS3 +11 7 6 8 27 4th Lucid buffer 15IS4 +12 7 6 9 35 4th feat fav(ill)+4 16IS5 +13 7 6 9 43 4th 17IS6 +14 8 7 10 51 5th Cerebral blind 18IS7 +15 8 7 10 59 5th feat fav(ill)+6 19IS8 +16 8 7 11 67 5th Breach PR 20IS9 +17 9 8 11 79 6th Cerebral immunity 21IS10 22PW9 23PW10 LA+1 with buyoff 2d8 HD +2 0 3 3 4PW1 +2 2 3 3 feat 0 1st 5PW2 +3 3 3 3 feat 1 1st 5PW3 +4 3 4 4 3 1st payoff LA 4000 6PW4 +5 4 4 4 5 2nd feat 7PW5 +5 4 4 4 feat 7 2nd 8PW6 +6 5 5 5 11 2nd 9IS1 +7 5 5 7 feat fav(ill)+2, illitid sense 10IS2 +8 5 5 8 15 3rd Brain nausea 11IS3 +9 6 6 8 19 3rd Lucid buffer 12IS4 +10 6 6 9 23 3rd feat fav(ill)+4 13IS5 +11 6 6 9 27 4th 14IS6 +12 7 7 10 35 4th Cerebral blind 15IS7 +13 7 7 10 43 4th feat fav(ill)+6 16IS8 +14 7 7 11 51 5th Breach PR 17IS9 +15 8 8 11 59 5th Cerebral immunity 18IS10 +16 8 8 12 67 5th feat fav(ill)+8, Blast feedback 19PW7 +17 8 8 12 79 6th 20PW8 +18 9 8 12 feat 91 6th 21PW9 22PW10 LA+2 2d8 HD +2 0 3 3 5PW1 +2 2 3 3 feat 0 1st 6PW2 +3 3 3 3 feat 1 1st feat 7PW3 +4 3 4 4 3 1st 8PW4 +5 4 4 4 5 2nd 9PW5 +5 4 4 4 feat 7 2nd feat 10PW6 +6 5 5 5 11 2nd 11IS1 +7 5 5 7 fav(ill)+2, illitid sense 12IS2 +8 5 5 8 15 3rd feat Brain nausea 13IS3 +9 6 6 8 19 3rd Lucid buffer 14IS4 +10 6 6 9 23 3rd fav(ill)+4 15IS5 +11 6 6 9 27 4th feat 16IS6 +12 7 7 10 35 4th Cerebral blind 17IS7 +13 7 7 10 43 4th fav(ill)+6 18IS8 +14 7 7 11 51 5th feat Breach PR 19IS9 +15 8 8 11 59 5th Cerebral immunity 20IS10 +16 8 8 12 67 5th fav(ill)+8, Blast feedback 21PW7 22PW8 23PW9 24PW10 LA+2 with buyoff 2d8 HD +2 0 3 3 5PW1 +2 2 3 3 feat 0 1st 6PW2 +3 3 3 3 feat 1 1st feat 7PW3 +4 3 4 4 3 1st 8PW4 +5 4 4 4 5 2nd 9PW5 +5 4 4 4 feat 7 2nd feat 9PW6 +6 5 5 5 11 2nd payoff 9000 10IS1 +7 5 5 7 fav(ill)+2, illitid sense 11IS2 +8 5 5 8 15 3rd Brain nausea 11IS3 +9 6 6 8 19 3rd payoff LA 11000 Lucid buffer 12PW7 +10 6 6 8 23 3rd feat fav(ill)+4 13PW8 +11 7 6 8 feat 27 4th 14IS4 +12 7 6 9 35 4th Cerebral blind 15IS5 +13 7 6 9 43 4th feat fav(ill)+6 16IS6 +14 8 7 10 51 5th Breach PR 17IS7 +15 7 7 10 59 5th Cerebral immunity 18IS8 +16 8 7 11 67 5th feat fav(ill)+8, Blast feedback 19IS9 +17 9 8 11 79 6th 20IS10 +18 9 8 12 91 6th 21PW9 22PW10 [/QUOTE]

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