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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thanee" data-source="post: 1503144" data-attributes="member: 478">And that's like the arcane casters alotment of 2nd and 3rd level spells together roughly! If he drops only one of those, he can add 5 1st level powers into the mix. Not so bad, really.But I'm not saying, that the augmentation isn't costly, it sure is, just that psions still have a very respectable number of castings (well... manifestations), even if they augment all of their powers to the max! And they get better at that with every level (at level 5 they are everything but bad already, at level 20 it's bordering on the insane).That's no difference with the arcane casters. They work the same.*LoL* !?Maybe those 0th level (and one 2nd level)... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />No, psions know more powers of all levels, actually.And that's not counting, that psions can use almost all their low level powers at higher levels and usually have the equivalent of the higher versions (greater ...) included in their lower level ones.Psions know equal or more powers of any given level (except 2nd, well and 0th <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />)... whenever the sorcerer gains a new spell level, the psion will have 4 times as many powers at that level alone (plus all the scaleable ones)!So, the sorcerer - who doesn't get bonus feats - needs feats to keep up with the psions powers? Doesn't that feel... wrong?Ok. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Yes, it is. And an advantage as well. A HUGE advantage over the sorcerer even.You don't actually want to count those 0th level ones, eh?Ok, detect magic. That one is fair game.See above for how wrong this statement is.Yeah, the sorcerer can do that, but it's only really useful to do away with powers, that are not useful later on at higher levels. The psion doesn't have to bother with that, since they don't have such powers!Yeah, it's a bit worse, but basically the same. The concentration check is not that hard and the AoO is only a problem in very rare circumstances.Ever noticed, how Quicken Spell / Quicken Power works?That's the price of speed... but unlike Quicken, the speed up doesn't cost anything (after those initial 7 PP). It pays off really fast!Sure is, but wizards cannot cast spontaneously. Forgot?It's extremely harsh compared to that, if you have to prepare beforehand.That's also why the sorcerer doesn't get all the goodies, and it's also why the psion should not get them in order to be balanced with the wizard and sorcerer!Of course not. But wizards can't get those, so that's a non-issue.Again, that's the wizard's advantage, sure. But spontaneous casting (sorcerer) and manifesting (psion) is an incredible advantage, too!Having played both wizard and sorcerer for quite some time now, I can reassure you, that the sorcerer is absolutely equal to the wizard. Sure, they are a bit "boring" (or rather repetitive in their castings), since they don't get as many goodies and have to stick with a very limited spell selection, but power-wise, they can keep up easily.There are situations, where the wizard is better (planning ahead with decent information), and others, where the sorcerer shines (unexpected events).I doubt you have played a sorcerer and a wizard over a long time, really.The spontaneous casting ability is HUGE (especially the higher the level gets)!The authors of the PHB know that...Psions get everything the sorcerer gets (sole exception: wider selection of spells to choose from compared to powers)... many of that is even better (flexibility)... and on top they get other huge advantages.I really wonder how you can call that balanced, or even unbalanced in favor of the sorcerer.ByeThanee</blockquote>

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