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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thanee" data-source="post: 1503250" data-attributes="member: 478">That's long enough... Sorry! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> You surely didn't sound like you had...Your games must be drastically different then! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />With a good spell selection the sorcerer has a useful spell ready in almost every situation, especially if needed multiple times (even twice). Only if actually knowing what to go up against, the wizard is - of course - clearly superior.Expanded Knowledge. They don't need many other feats anyways, since they have almost all the stuff basically for free, which the sorcerer must learn feats for (Still Spell, Silent Spell, Heighten Spell, Energy Substitution, Spell Focus).Yep, which is a (pretty much the only) disadvantage of psions, as I have noted already.The only other noteworthy thing is the non-automatic scaling, but given the fact, that scaling is better for psions than for other casters (i.e. increased DC) and that they have plenty PP to manifest at their full manifester level and still have a very decent number of powers per day, that's not such a big issue all things considered.As I said, your games must be quite different, as the spontaneous ability really starts to shine at the mid to high levels, when sorcerers have a decent spell selection.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />No. Since 0th level spells don't count. They do nothing (detect magic excluded).Ahem.On every even level, the psion has four times as many powers of the highest level compared to the sorcerer! Four times! At every level thereafter, they still have twice as many PLUS a complete new level already, which the sorcerer has not available yet! Repeat for the one thereafter. That's no -large- discrepancy!?You don't want to say 0th level spells can live up with 6th, 7th, 8th level powers, or do you? Coz those are the ones the psion has instead of the sorcerer's mighty 0th level spells in comparison at that level (see above). <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />I would like to see something, which is convincing, that psions are balanced, compared to the dozens of arguments I have brought up on this thread, why they are not. I don't think there is much, tho (the good powers being on the discipline lists is one thing, the scaling issues another... but the countless advantages on the other side overshadow this by far).See the house rules forum. I'm sure you won't like it! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />ByeThanee</blockquote>

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