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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thanee" data-source="post: 1504036" data-attributes="member: 478">Hmm... I don't really think that I did that... I'm sure you can find stuff (like with PrC involved, etc.) which can get this to even higher levels.  Of course, I'm looking at the psion at his full ability. That's what is going to happen in play, or wouldn't you use powers with maximum augmentation, for example? That's like, if you play a wizard, you choose not to cast spells from your highest level. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />    See below.   I'm actually trying to argue from a very general viewpoint, that's why I am mainly discussing the mechanics behind the psionics. When I give examples, they are to demonstrate a point, nothing else. I do not base my argumentation on the abilities of a 20th level Psion, in most cases what I state is true throughout all levels.  But since you asked... When I looked up the PP for low level psions, I noticed, that they will be able to manifest 6 or more 1st level powers per day. At second level their ability almost doubles. At third they already have 2nd level powers (two even, at fourth they have four of them, when the sorcerer gets his first). No, I don't think they look weak at low levels.  However, they do not have any 0th level powers, which can actually be kinda useful at the low levels still.  So they are at least equal at this point, if not better (if I were a wizard or sorcerer I would easily drop my 0th level spells per day for more 1st level spells per day).   As I already stated, we've played with psionics in a very long-running 3.0 campaign, using the stuff the XPH rules are built upon (ITCK and MS).  It's similar enough to draw conclusions.  And I never said, that I hate the XPH. What I said is, that I am highly disappointed by it.    Actually... no. It won't ruin our game, since it won't be used! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />    You put a lot of faith into WotC playtesting. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />  Do you think that the 3.0 PsiHB has been playtested as well? How could stuff like Psychofeedback or the Torc of psionic might find its way into the book then?  It doesn't take a genius or a revision to figure out that this stuff is hideously broken. They havn't even addressed it in the errata or FAQ!  Now in 3.5 they obviously did tone down some of that stuff (at least!), even though now Psychofeedback is totally crippled and completely useless. Doesn't look like the right way to me either.    I don't need to playtest it to see that some stuff is utterly broken...  How about Metamorphic Transfer as an example. Do you think this feat has been playtested?  I think, if it has been playtested, the people that did so should be looking for a new job. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />  How do you believe the product has been thoroughly playtested, yet they didn't incorprate stuff, which has been errataed for the PHB (Greater Manifestation). Why is the ability to spontaneously manifest multiple powers per turn in there, while the authors of the PHB have deliberately removed this ability from spellcasters to better balance them with the non-spellcasters? Why is there a psionic version of dispel magic (this is not really a rarely used spell in normal D&D so should come up fairly often in playtest situations), which is at 10th level TWICE AS GOOD as the equivalent spell and equivally good as the greater version cast by a 20th level character!? And why are psions better in dispelling magic than wizards, anyways, it's not like they have studied it, or did they?  I'd need to playtest, for example, to see how a class like the Wilder fares. It's too different in concept to say up front. The psion is not.  Bye Thanee</blockquote>

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