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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thanee" data-source="post: 1504071" data-attributes="member: 478">No objective proof? I think my comparisons of psion and sorcerer are quite objective (at least I try to be as objective as possible, even tho it might not really sound that way <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />). The examples are not what it's all about. If you only refer to some examples I give, you won't get the whole point. I'm trying to argue about the very basic fundamentals of each class.    Erm, that was not really what the example was about... and if you read it again, I actually say that myself up there. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  An example to show that the psion outperforms the sorcerer in terms of damage dealing would involve powers and spells at their maximum, of course. But that's pretty obvious, that the psions wins that comparison. It's one of their inherent class advantages with the PP system, and really nothing I have any problems with (they have more flexibility and therefore can do more in shorter time). I have a problem with the fact, that they can do this and also have a higher number of powers, also get faster access to more powerful powers, also get bonus feats, more skill points indirectly, and so on, and so on, and so on.    While the psion does not need to, since their powers already include the higher level versions (which also indirectly increases their effective powers known) and have no caps.   Yep.   That's indeed an important point.  And yes, I am of the opinion, that the sorcerer is not weaker than the wizard, maybe slightly (depends on campaign style also), but not much at least. Not even close to how much the psion is more powerful compared to the sorcerer.  In my game experience with 3.5 the sorcerer is definitely on par with the other classes. In fact, I think that pretty much all of the PHB classes are quite balanced to each other in 3.5. The spellcasters still have an advantage at higher levels, naturally, the divine casters are still very powerful throughout all levels, but fighter-types have been improved quite a bit, while some of the more broken caster abilities (i.e. haste, buffs) have been toned down a lot, which greatly improved the balance between those.  Bye Thanee</blockquote>

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