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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ph0rk" data-source="post: 1506378" data-attributes="member: 16266">>>Find me an ability that a wizard can't do (or a sorceror for that matter) within a level of when an egoist could do it with this feat and power, then we'll talk.Technically a wizard could cast that much earlier with a scroll. (as could a scorceror). Granted, thats a spell a wizard can't actually cast, but they can certainly make use of it otherwise.I -believe- this is the only way a Psion can use that ability, and it does cost 2 feats plue 9 power points per use.  It isn't as if they can become a Djinn or anything.The other bit is, how is a Psion going to assume the form of a creature he or she has never seen or read about?  If they don't exist in a certain world, it'd be even harder!>>> What? have you even read what the psionic dominate is like?I have heard that, and it ain't published yet, now is it?My point is that you -must- use expanded knowledge to gain some of the powers that mimic relatively common spells.  Fly, Dominate, Energy Ball, Metamorphasis - all these are list powers and require feats to attain.  On top of that you can't even learn them with a feat until you can manifest powers one level higher.  Have you made a mid or high level psion and really thought about what abilities you'd actually like to have, and what you had to do to get them?Is that what you meant to say?----This discussion has obviously descended to minutae; we can debate specific powers vs specific spells for days and days.  Apparently a small few people beleive that Psions are unstoppable; so be it.  I'm not here to change your mind.  I don't believe they are.  Yes they do things differenly than Arcanists, because they aren't arcanists.  In my opinion, it would have been pretty stupid if they published a book that contained nothing but a glorified spell-point system and arcane spells.To some, thats what playing a caster is all about.Wondrous items (for you and your party)Magic arms and Armor (for the meat shields)Craft Dorje (same reason a Wizard would; extra nuking when in a tight spot.  Or a self-only healing stick)The first two are ones I'd definately want.for the record, if a psion is to use Expanded Knowledge to gain new powers, these are the max level powers he or she can gain, and what level they can be gained at:1st   (level 3 feat)2nd   (level 5 class feat)2nd   (level 6 feat)4th   (level 9 feat)4th   (level 10 class feat)5th   (level  12 feat)7th    (level 15 feat)7th    (level  15 class feat)8th    (level 18 feat)8th    (level 20 class feat)That is the maximum number of powers a Psion is able to pick up with Expanded Knowledge.  Obviously they aren't getting many other feats (2 at character creation +1 if human).There are a number of anti-Psion feats in the book that require no psionic ability; and in many cases they apply only to psionics, not arcane of divine magic. Yes, Psions are powerful. Wizards are too. And so are Clerics. And Ninjas.None of them are more powerful than the DM using his wand of rule 0 though.(No, Sorcerors are not REAL ULTIMATE POWER)sidebar: I really think Sorcerors need eaither more feats or 4 or 6 skill points to make them more in line with all the other various casters.</blockquote>

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