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Message: <blockquote data-quote="sumi" data-source="post: 1509318" data-attributes="member: 16755">Having spent several hours reading this thread I would just like to add the following point from someone who currently plays a 3.0 psion 9th level seer/1st level monk that is about to convert. The new XPH is a vast improvement on 3.0. However, I am still not happy with the conversion. All you seem to be talking about is maximising powers, nothing about character development.Thanee to me the sorcerer is a much more powerful party member than an XPH psion. As has been previously mentioned most of the psions spells are self. My current DM plays an 10th level sorcerer in another campaign and is the most powerful party member by miles. He can polymorph the entire party into trolls or what ever. He released a 60hp fireball due to help with a lesser metamagic rod - 180points of damage in 3rounds and only 3 out of his 7 3rd level spells used.I would like to think that I would be similarly capable. I have calculated I would have 99pp. A few more if I was 10th. To be as effective I would have to use a feat slot and use 14 energy points to achieve similar results. Times that by 3 and 42 points are gone. His wand is usable tomorrow. He has used 3 spells and 40% of my power has gone.I do not know if psions have a similar device but it will only save me 12pp.Also, Thanee I cannot believe how dismissive you are of the arcane spells that a sorcerer has a choice of, even if it only 3 at 20th. I am so pleased that I now have the choice of Apopsi, etherealness, reality revision and assimilate where I can gain temp hps. The Seer powers costs xp's -1000 plus. Metafaculty and reality revision - fantastic; gates and wishes pale into insignificance beside them. Maybe exps are given away like confeti in your campaigns but exps are not in mine(hence why I am still 10th.) It is far easier to gain money.At 8th I get to know a fact or spend more xps on matter agitation or bend reality. If I really went for it I could cast Iron body and Shadow body on my self. The 35 8th level spells of course are not that much of an advantage to a sorcerer. The 9 of the psion still make him over the top? Oh for the versatility of adapting the character to match the needs of the party and the campaign. The psion has those in abundance????Less than that, I can have the choice of Oak body (this seems similar)sequester or divert teleport - I'm drooling at the thought.I apologise if I am sounding a little bit cynical but I do not see that at powerful levels the sorcerer is that much disadvantaged, if at all. As a player character he is a much more useful party member, with his movement abilities, his buffing abilities, his offensive abilities and his interesting esoteric spells that get the party through the next stage of their adventure. if you add to that the phenomenal range of spells he can use on a scroll, wands and magical devices. He becomes untouchable. Not as powerful as the wizard but near. I just picture my Seer as a destructive area effect mage or being buffed beyond recognition with massive AC and saving throws and standing in the middle of the opposition casting spells on the defensive or waiting till they get bored trying to hit him and walk off. Thats what most of the general spells at high level provide for. If there is a criticism of the psion it is the powers are too orientated to the self and does not allow for much character development - hence why I went for seer and now find the only discipline spell I would actually use is sensitivity to psychic impressions. Oh the disillusionment.One final point - the thread starts with psions vs sorcerers vs wizards. I gather Thanee that psions are not more powerful than wizards as you do not mention them much in your statements after the first page. Maybe they are not that too over the top.</blockquote>

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