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[XPH] Psion versus Wizard/Sorcerer
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<blockquote data-quote="Thanee" data-source="post: 1510044" data-attributes="member: 478"><p>Granted. Nothing major.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Are you speaking of displays here? I don't speak of display. Wizards cannot hide the "displays" of their spells at all (audible, visible). Many spells do not have "displays", tho, which kinda balances this.</p><p></p><p>I'm speaking of the complete absence of verbal and somatic components!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Energy Substitution in general only applies to "energy" type spells. Of course it's best for the kineticist, but even only one such power grants the complete flexibility (which is huge - it's roughly five powers in one this way - or one power + four feats)!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Most people I know, that play sorcerers consider this feat highly powerful (for sorcerers only, tho).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Just meant, that the bonus feat is obviously the substitute for the removed psicrystal ability (which is a feat now). It's surely meant that way (judging from where it originated from), but will work either way, of course.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't cite examples, except to illustrate a point. That's what I meant. I compare class fundamentals that apply to all scenarios not possible scenarios. A more generic comparison, instead of rather specific, so to say.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is wrong. You need exactly two feats (Expanded Knowledge, Metamorphic Transfer) for this. The cost of two feats is ridiculously low for the abilities gained.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Massive? A list of a few dozen (usually underpowered compared to the level when you get them) creatures, doesn't really compare to the complete range of monsters from all monster books out there. Not even close!</p><p></p><p>And it's quite a difference, if a summoned creature has it, or you have it.</p><p></p><p>Anyways, summon monster surely adds a lot of versatility, but the stuff you get at the level when you get it, is surely not as bad as what you can do with MT.</p><p></p><p>Bye</p><p>Thanee</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Thanee, post: 1510044, member: 478"] Granted. Nothing major. Are you speaking of displays here? I don't speak of display. Wizards cannot hide the "displays" of their spells at all (audible, visible). Many spells do not have "displays", tho, which kinda balances this. I'm speaking of the complete absence of verbal and somatic components! Energy Substitution in general only applies to "energy" type spells. Of course it's best for the kineticist, but even only one such power grants the complete flexibility (which is huge - it's roughly five powers in one this way - or one power + four feats)! Most people I know, that play sorcerers consider this feat highly powerful (for sorcerers only, tho). Just meant, that the bonus feat is obviously the substitute for the removed psicrystal ability (which is a feat now). It's surely meant that way (judging from where it originated from), but will work either way, of course. I don't cite examples, except to illustrate a point. That's what I meant. I compare class fundamentals that apply to all scenarios not possible scenarios. A more generic comparison, instead of rather specific, so to say. This is wrong. You need exactly two feats (Expanded Knowledge, Metamorphic Transfer) for this. The cost of two feats is ridiculously low for the abilities gained. Massive? A list of a few dozen (usually underpowered compared to the level when you get them) creatures, doesn't really compare to the complete range of monsters from all monster books out there. Not even close! And it's quite a difference, if a summoned creature has it, or you have it. Anyways, summon monster surely adds a lot of versatility, but the stuff you get at the level when you get it, is surely not as bad as what you can do with MT. Bye Thanee [/QUOTE]
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