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<blockquote data-quote="Elder-Basilisk" data-source="post: 219491" data-attributes="member: 3146"><p>Since we're discussing heroism now, it's worth noting that the idea of a hero is not constant. Heroes are people who embody our values--people worthy of emulation. They're people we honor (and, conversely, unheroic things are generally considered shameful and to be hidden). Consequently, our idea of a hero says a lot about who we are and what we value.</p><p></p><p>Consider the heroes of the Norse sagas. They were strong, they were bold, and they started killing men before they were 13 (in some cases).</p><p></p><p>Beowulf was similar but displayed a few differences. He was strong, tough, and courageous but he the poem spends almost as much time demonstrating his loyalty and generousity as his strength and courage.</p><p></p><p>19th century tales of King Arthur's knights portrayed them as strong, brave, and courteous.</p><p></p><p>All of these say a lot about the values of the societies that produced those works.</p><p></p><p>In short, a discussion about who real heroes are is really a discussion about what values are good and valid.</p><p></p><p>It's quite possible that what JXLC and Arcady have observed is actually the result of people getting comfortable with the idea that the prime values are personal comfort, safety, and affluence. If those are your highest ideals then the mercenary who demands money to save the village and doesn't risk his neck unless there's something in it for him <strong>is</strong> a hero. On the other hand, if you believe that heroes do their duty no matter what the cost and will climb into a burning building for a slight hope of saving one person at grave risk to themselves, such mercenaries will not look at all like heroes--rather they will look like cowards.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Elder-Basilisk, post: 219491, member: 3146"] Since we're discussing heroism now, it's worth noting that the idea of a hero is not constant. Heroes are people who embody our values--people worthy of emulation. They're people we honor (and, conversely, unheroic things are generally considered shameful and to be hidden). Consequently, our idea of a hero says a lot about who we are and what we value. Consider the heroes of the Norse sagas. They were strong, they were bold, and they started killing men before they were 13 (in some cases). Beowulf was similar but displayed a few differences. He was strong, tough, and courageous but he the poem spends almost as much time demonstrating his loyalty and generousity as his strength and courage. 19th century tales of King Arthur's knights portrayed them as strong, brave, and courteous. All of these say a lot about the values of the societies that produced those works. In short, a discussion about who real heroes are is really a discussion about what values are good and valid. It's quite possible that what JXLC and Arcady have observed is actually the result of people getting comfortable with the idea that the prime values are personal comfort, safety, and affluence. If those are your highest ideals then the mercenary who demands money to save the village and doesn't risk his neck unless there's something in it for him [b]is[/b] a hero. On the other hand, if you believe that heroes do their duty no matter what the cost and will climb into a burning building for a slight hope of saving one person at grave risk to themselves, such mercenaries will not look at all like heroes--rather they will look like cowards. [/QUOTE]
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