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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Will" data-source="post: 5033866" data-attributes="member: 5566">OgreOgres from SRD as PC race have:+10 Str, -2 Dex, +4 Con, -4 Int, -4 ChaLarge size4 levels of giant+5 natural armor bonusLA +2LA: 4 levels of giant convert to +2 LA, so total LA is +4. Looking at ability bonuses: +10 Str is highest bonus. +4 Con is reasonably useful, so say another +2 points, or a total value of 12. This is about +1 1/2 LA. For comparison purposes, it’s helpful to keep the fraction at this point. Estimated LA is 4 - 1.5, or 2.5 LA. Calculating basic abilities, we have Large size and +5 natural armor bonus. Large size is worth 8 points (+1 LA), +5 natural armor is 10 points, or a total of 18 points. This is 2.25 LA. While not precisely the same, this is a pretty close mesh. The ogre’s abilities are quite simple, so it seems best to work with the second result. One could round down, but since the new system uses raw points, we can just use a racial handicap of -18 rather than ‘2.25 LA.’ A PC ogre has max Strength of 28, Dexterity of 16, Constitution of 22, Intelligence of 14, Wisdom of 18, and Charisma of 14.Size is Large, +5 natural armor.Scores start at 8, with 18 ability score points (normal 36 - handicap of 18).The ogre is likely to want to take giant HD to get better stats.</blockquote>