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<blockquote data-quote="Irennan" data-source="post: 7680751" data-attributes="member: 6778119"><p>When you said ''If we took a survey, how would it turn out'', I thought you were asking for opinions, so I gave mine. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Comparing the ranger's companion to a standard companion isn't really fitting. Anyone can have a companion, so I don't see how a standard pet can be a class feature. What could make it unique is, for example, a particular bond that exists between the ranger and its companion, which comes from the fact that the ranger is a wilderness-warrior/guardian (so, their being ''in-tune'' with it, gained them the loyalty of one of its creatures). That's the reason why I associated the two things.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, that's basically what I meant. The thing is that IMO ''wilderness-warrior/guardian'' isn't a strong identity, because it identifies a background: someone who defends the civilization from the monsters that ''threaten its edges''. Hunting monsters, knowing and moving through terrains, ambushes, exploration, tracking, even training a companion: most of the flavor that is tied to the concept of ''wilderness-warrior'' can be done by a fighter, or a rogue, through skill/tool proficiency. IMO, it lends perfectly to a ''wilderness-warrior/scout/what you have'' subclass, that focuses on combat and the above mentioned skills, also through the ability to cast some utility spells.</p><p></p><p>Thematically speaking, the only thing that the ranger has over the others is the ability to cast spells based on nature (and they are indeed iconic to the class). But only leads me to see them as an hybrid between a druid and a rogue/fighter, a bit like the EK is a warrior-mage.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It makes sense to give the bard full spellcasting, as the class concept is based on creating magic through music. It doesn't overlap with other concepts. The ranger has some heavy overlapping (IMO, ofc, as always), so they should be given some theme that is theirs and can be only theirs. But it would require some changes to the class background (again, IMO). In short, I don't really think that the concept of the ranger, as it is now, deserves a class on its own.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Irennan, post: 7680751, member: 6778119"] When you said ''If we took a survey, how would it turn out'', I thought you were asking for opinions, so I gave mine. Comparing the ranger's companion to a standard companion isn't really fitting. Anyone can have a companion, so I don't see how a standard pet can be a class feature. What could make it unique is, for example, a particular bond that exists between the ranger and its companion, which comes from the fact that the ranger is a wilderness-warrior/guardian (so, their being ''in-tune'' with it, gained them the loyalty of one of its creatures). That's the reason why I associated the two things. Yes, that's basically what I meant. The thing is that IMO ''wilderness-warrior/guardian'' isn't a strong identity, because it identifies a background: someone who defends the civilization from the monsters that ''threaten its edges''. Hunting monsters, knowing and moving through terrains, ambushes, exploration, tracking, even training a companion: most of the flavor that is tied to the concept of ''wilderness-warrior'' can be done by a fighter, or a rogue, through skill/tool proficiency. IMO, it lends perfectly to a ''wilderness-warrior/scout/what you have'' subclass, that focuses on combat and the above mentioned skills, also through the ability to cast some utility spells. Thematically speaking, the only thing that the ranger has over the others is the ability to cast spells based on nature (and they are indeed iconic to the class). But only leads me to see them as an hybrid between a druid and a rogue/fighter, a bit like the EK is a warrior-mage. It makes sense to give the bard full spellcasting, as the class concept is based on creating magic through music. It doesn't overlap with other concepts. The ranger has some heavy overlapping (IMO, ofc, as always), so they should be given some theme that is theirs and can be only theirs. But it would require some changes to the class background (again, IMO). In short, I don't really think that the concept of the ranger, as it is now, deserves a class on its own. [/QUOTE]
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