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<blockquote data-quote="Tharen the Damned" data-source="post: 2876584" data-attributes="member: 17091">I think it boils down to the question:If the Demon Lords are all in the lower 20 CR, why are they still alive and ruling their layers?In the MMs and Fiend Folio are enough Critters of 20+ CR that are unnamed beasts -one of many.Even the Dragons in their older age categories can whip the Lords.Or, even better, in the existing Campaigns most powerful Creatures or NPCs can kick the Lords backsides singlehandedly (eg. Elminster).Now, you say, they have minions. A lot of them. They add to the effective power of a lord.Well, as the whole bunch is chaotic evil, minions will follow a leader only as long as he is perceived stronger than themselves and is able to cow them into submission.This is done through bluff and intimidation for the lower powered critters. But it does only work so long for say the bigger balors around. Eventually some Demon will challange a Lord for a fight. And even if the balor can not beat him, if the lord has problems during the fight or is seriously wounded, every run-of-the-mill balor will try its luck.And if it is an Avatar, why not state this explicitly?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tharen the Damned, post: 2876584, member: 17091"] I think it boils down to the question: If the Demon Lords are all in the lower 20 CR, why are they still alive and ruling their layers? In the MMs and Fiend Folio are enough Critters of 20+ CR that are unnamed beasts -one of many. Even the Dragons in their older age categories can whip the Lords. Or, even better, in the existing Campaigns most powerful Creatures or NPCs can kick the Lords backsides singlehandedly (eg. Elminster). Now, you say, they have minions. A lot of them. They add to the effective power of a lord. Well, as the whole bunch is chaotic evil, minions will follow a leader only as long as he is perceived stronger than themselves and is able to cow them into submission. This is done through bluff and intimidation for the lower powered critters. But it does only work so long for say the bigger balors around. Eventually some Demon will challange a Lord for a fight. And even if the balor can not beat him, if the lord has problems during the fight or is seriously wounded, every run-of-the-mill balor will try its luck. And if it is an Avatar, why not state this explicitly? [/QUOTE]

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