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<blockquote data-quote="gizmo33" data-source="post: 2880083" data-attributes="member: 30001">What I'm talking about are favorable circumstances.&nbsp; Those aren't the same as an intelligence score.&nbsp; By that reasoning you could say that high intelligence must mean that you have lots of gold.&nbsp; And remember, I'm talking about two CR 20 creatures here, a Balor no advantage in personal power over Yeenoghu.&nbsp; What you're suggesting is that political power stems from nothing other than personal ability.&nbsp; I suppose that would mean that if I were as strong and smart as one of the Kennedys that I would have the same status in society.&nbsp; Are we talking about politics in the Abyss or Canada?&nbsp; I guess this is just a matter of different gaming styles.&nbsp; &quot;Passive-aggressive&quot; would be an improvement in the disposition of the demons in my campaign.&nbsp; IMC demons do not have inner children.&nbsp; Were Yeenoghu able to reduce his followers to mere &quot;passive-aggressive&quot;, he'd probably wonder what's wrong with them.This is our basic difference, you are at least consistent.&nbsp; To you, Stats=Circumstances.&nbsp; To me - having seen characters with high stats fail, and low stats succeed due to choices and circumstances both in and out of their control, I believe there is a lot more to success.&nbsp; What dice rolls though?&nbsp; Ever try any PvP?&nbsp; My wizard got killed by 20 archers one time sent at him by another PC.&nbsp; I probably had better stats and higher charisma than that guy.&nbsp; Never got a chance to use them.&nbsp; IME Stats is not the same thing as Circumstances.There's nothing to suggest (and the flavor text you quote from the 1E MM suggests otherwise) that Balors were ever on equal footing with Yeenoghu to the extent that it would come down to dice rolls in some sort of fair contest.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="gizmo33, post: 2880083, member: 30001"] What I'm talking about are favorable circumstances. Those aren't the same as an intelligence score. By that reasoning you could say that high intelligence must mean that you have lots of gold. And remember, I'm talking about two CR 20 creatures here, a Balor no advantage in personal power over Yeenoghu. What you're suggesting is that political power stems from nothing other than personal ability. I suppose that would mean that if I were as strong and smart as one of the Kennedys that I would have the same status in society. Are we talking about politics in the Abyss or Canada? I guess this is just a matter of different gaming styles. "Passive-aggressive" would be an improvement in the disposition of the demons in my campaign. IMC demons do not have inner children. Were Yeenoghu able to reduce his followers to mere "passive-aggressive", he'd probably wonder what's wrong with them. This is our basic difference, you are at least consistent. To you, Stats=Circumstances. To me - having seen characters with high stats fail, and low stats succeed due to choices and circumstances both in and out of their control, I believe there is a lot more to success. What dice rolls though? Ever try any PvP? My wizard got killed by 20 archers one time sent at him by another PC. I probably had better stats and higher charisma than that guy. Never got a chance to use them. IME Stats is not the same thing as Circumstances. There's nothing to suggest (and the flavor text you quote from the 1E MM suggests otherwise) that Balors were ever on equal footing with Yeenoghu to the extent that it would come down to dice rolls in some sort of fair contest. [/QUOTE]

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