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<blockquote data-quote="gizmo33" data-source="post: 2885087" data-attributes="member: 30001">I don't see what you mean about vague generality, possible examples are trivial to dream up - the actual ones would depend on your campaign design (or that of Planescape or whatever framework you are using).&nbsp; For example, Yeenoghu might have been around 10,000 years before the Balor, giving him time to establish a dominant political position on his layer of the Abyss.&nbsp; The Balor could be kept busy by whatever creature/organization makes them the &quot;pan-Abyssal&quot; generals of the bloodwar.&nbsp; Etc. etc.&nbsp; Really, I don't see how this is going to help if your only reality is the stat-block.&nbsp; Use whatever historical events (or lack thereof) that you want.&nbsp; You'd have to believe in circumstance modifiers to find this believable and I from what I can tell you don't.&nbsp; I have repeatedly said in my posts that I based what I said on little official material.&nbsp;&nbsp; If you're trying to make something work for Planescape or your homebrew or whatever, then what's the big deal?&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;Ridiculous&quot;?&nbsp; Maybe you need a thesaurus.&nbsp; You've already said what I've said is silly.&nbsp; It's insulting and it's a waste of time.The idea of a balor's lawfulness, as I already said, is something that comes from the 1st edition monster manual.&nbsp; I don't know what you mean by &quot;stretch&quot; - you're writing as if there is some sort of official material that you're following, but I can't tell what it is.&nbsp; &quot;Idiocy&quot; - seriously - get a thesaurus.&nbsp; What you're saying can be interesting without recourse to insulting hyperbole.&nbsp; Given that you find anything about Dungeons and Dragons &quot;vicerally unpleasant&quot;, I think it was a waste of my time to try to &quot;reason&quot; with you on this issue.&nbsp;&nbsp; I'm sorry that Yeenoghu's CR rating is so upsetting.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="gizmo33, post: 2885087, member: 30001"] I don't see what you mean about vague generality, possible examples are trivial to dream up - the actual ones would depend on your campaign design (or that of Planescape or whatever framework you are using). For example, Yeenoghu might have been around 10,000 years before the Balor, giving him time to establish a dominant political position on his layer of the Abyss. The Balor could be kept busy by whatever creature/organization makes them the "pan-Abyssal" generals of the bloodwar. Etc. etc. Really, I don't see how this is going to help if your only reality is the stat-block. Use whatever historical events (or lack thereof) that you want. You'd have to believe in circumstance modifiers to find this believable and I from what I can tell you don't. I have repeatedly said in my posts that I based what I said on little official material. If you're trying to make something work for Planescape or your homebrew or whatever, then what's the big deal? "Ridiculous"? Maybe you need a thesaurus. You've already said what I've said is silly. It's insulting and it's a waste of time. The idea of a balor's lawfulness, as I already said, is something that comes from the 1st edition monster manual. I don't know what you mean by "stretch" - you're writing as if there is some sort of official material that you're following, but I can't tell what it is. "Idiocy" - seriously - get a thesaurus. What you're saying can be interesting without recourse to insulting hyperbole. Given that you find anything about Dungeons and Dragons "vicerally unpleasant", I think it was a waste of my time to try to "reason" with you on this issue. I'm sorry that Yeenoghu's CR rating is so upsetting. [/QUOTE]

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