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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 7549366" data-attributes="member: 23751">And the untrained warlock having a higher charisma isn't a very good argument for why the trained fighter shouldn't be the one doing the thing.&nbsp; The fighter is the one who is going to know the tricks, methods, etc.&nbsp; It's both logical and fine for either one to perform the act, being aided by the other.&nbsp; PCs don't sit around tallying how many more times the warlock persuaded people successfully than the fighter, so they aren't going to know much more than both are good at persuasion, and they wouldn't be able to account for the d20 luck factor even if they tried.Sometimes there is a situation where only one person can make an attempt.&nbsp; Usually, though, the situation is not not so cut and dry.Any time the PC acts like he is in a game with his decisions on who gets to do what, it is also metagaming.&nbsp; You are making decisions based on how things work in the real world(game rules).&nbsp; And it's a more egregious offense than giving the PC a realistic personality(this isn't metagaming at all).It's not normal for this to take place.&nbsp; When someone is speaking to the group, he is speaking to the GROUP, not just the warlock.&nbsp; It would often be rude and offensive for the rest of the party to sit silent.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 7549366, member: 23751"] And the untrained warlock having a higher charisma isn't a very good argument for why the trained fighter shouldn't be the one doing the thing. The fighter is the one who is going to know the tricks, methods, etc. It's both logical and fine for either one to perform the act, being aided by the other. PCs don't sit around tallying how many more times the warlock persuaded people successfully than the fighter, so they aren't going to know much more than both are good at persuasion, and they wouldn't be able to account for the d20 luck factor even if they tried. Sometimes there is a situation where only one person can make an attempt. Usually, though, the situation is not not so cut and dry. Any time the PC acts like he is in a game with his decisions on who gets to do what, it is also metagaming. You are making decisions based on how things work in the real world(game rules). And it's a more egregious offense than giving the PC a realistic personality(this isn't metagaming at all). It's not normal for this to take place. When someone is speaking to the group, he is speaking to the GROUP, not just the warlock. It would often be rude and offensive for the rest of the party to sit silent. [/QUOTE]

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