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<blockquote data-quote="Marandahir" data-source="post: 8486478" data-attributes="member: 6803643">This is about as fair as all Elves are born knowing Elvish intrinsically, and there being some debate among the scholars of Aerenal and the Tairendal whether Half-elves know it or have to learn it - to know it would mean that they're actually truly Tairendal themselves and should have full status in the realms of Elvendom, while to have to learn it would mean they're just filthy humans with some Elvish traits from their traitor parent who should be outcast for daring to mingle with another kind.I think there's plenty of room for some campaign worlds to take this approach. But remember that Keith Baker's approach to world-building is to look at the mechanics he's been dealt with and try to justify them within the context of the world. So All Elves know Elvish? That's because it's intrinsically a part of them. If he was building the Elf lineage from scratch, I doubt he'd be trying to force longsword proficiency. In fact, his Aernal Elves explicitly substitute in a Tool proficiency instead, while the Valenar substitute in Double Scimitars.There needs to be room for both interpretations, and for greater and lesser degrees of cultural influence upon a character's upbringing. But we also need to not overwhelm new players with options paralysis. 5e is the quickest to start edition of the game, that should NOT change in 2024 (in fact, if anything, I think that the anniversary revisions should make it QUICKER to start, not slower, if they want to gather in even more players).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Marandahir, post: 8486478, member: 6803643"] This is about as fair as all Elves are born knowing Elvish intrinsically, and there being some debate among the scholars of Aerenal and the Tairendal whether Half-elves know it or have to learn it - to know it would mean that they're actually truly Tairendal themselves and should have full status in the realms of Elvendom, while to have to learn it would mean they're just filthy humans with some Elvish traits from their traitor parent who should be outcast for daring to mingle with another kind. I think there's plenty of room for some campaign worlds to take this approach. But remember that Keith Baker's approach to world-building is to look at the mechanics he's been dealt with and try to justify them within the context of the world. So All Elves know Elvish? That's because it's intrinsically a part of them. If he was building the Elf lineage from scratch, I doubt he'd be trying to force longsword proficiency. In fact, his Aernal Elves explicitly substitute in a Tool proficiency instead, while the Valenar substitute in Double Scimitars. There needs to be room for both interpretations, and for greater and lesser degrees of cultural influence upon a character's upbringing. But we also need to not overwhelm new players with options paralysis. 5e is the quickest to start edition of the game, that should NOT change in 2024 (in fact, if anything, I think that the anniversary revisions should make it QUICKER to start, not slower, if they want to gather in even more players). [/QUOTE]

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