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<blockquote data-quote="Lyxen" data-source="post: 8490580" data-attributes="member: 7032025"><p>It might just be me being European and therefore with different sensibilities but:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Even in the earliest publications, the drows were not inherently evil, they lived in a degenerate society due to Lolth / Demon worship, but there were still non-evil drows even in Erelhei-Cinlu (the only proper drow city as far as I'm concerned), haters of that society and local rebels, and I remember having a blast with these are they were almost the only allies that PCs could get in the city, seeing that EVERYONE else was evil, and the only non-evil ones (apart from captured slaves) were actually drows or half-drows...</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">It was cool to have a matriarcal society where females were in power and way more powerful than the males, and the first publications were not that extreme, all females at the time had chainmail bikinis anyway, why would the drow be any different ?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">I have looked again at all the illustrations in the original modules and honestly, they are not bad, they look nothing like any earth ethnicity, completely black (as described with different skin reflection for males and females) with bluish or purplish highlights (or even white on the first illustration of Vault of the Drow).</li> </ul><p>After that, I absolutely hated the fact that the FR and in particular the Driz'zt thing stole the drow and the Salvatore books are absolutely terrible from any perspective that you consider. Here, in France, we never understood how they could have had such a success in the US.</p><p></p><p>So no-one, I mean absolutely no-one in France and in the UK that I played with for decades even found them racist or anti-feminist or even particularly sexist. They were extremely cool, amongst the best villains that you could fight, and the non-white friends and players among us actually loved them, in particular a guy that I've been playing with for 35+ years now and who still plays them, evil or not, male or female, as soon as he can.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lyxen, post: 8490580, member: 7032025"] It might just be me being European and therefore with different sensibilities but: [LIST] [*]Even in the earliest publications, the drows were not inherently evil, they lived in a degenerate society due to Lolth / Demon worship, but there were still non-evil drows even in Erelhei-Cinlu (the only proper drow city as far as I'm concerned), haters of that society and local rebels, and I remember having a blast with these are they were almost the only allies that PCs could get in the city, seeing that EVERYONE else was evil, and the only non-evil ones (apart from captured slaves) were actually drows or half-drows... [*]It was cool to have a matriarcal society where females were in power and way more powerful than the males, and the first publications were not that extreme, all females at the time had chainmail bikinis anyway, why would the drow be any different ? [*]I have looked again at all the illustrations in the original modules and honestly, they are not bad, they look nothing like any earth ethnicity, completely black (as described with different skin reflection for males and females) with bluish or purplish highlights (or even white on the first illustration of Vault of the Drow). [/LIST] After that, I absolutely hated the fact that the FR and in particular the Driz'zt thing stole the drow and the Salvatore books are absolutely terrible from any perspective that you consider. Here, in France, we never understood how they could have had such a success in the US. So no-one, I mean absolutely no-one in France and in the UK that I played with for decades even found them racist or anti-feminist or even particularly sexist. They were extremely cool, amongst the best villains that you could fight, and the non-white friends and players among us actually loved them, in particular a guy that I've been playing with for 35+ years now and who still plays them, evil or not, male or female, as soon as he can. [/QUOTE]
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