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Message: <blockquote data-quote="mmu1" data-source="post: 772360" data-attributes="member: 319">There's no point in having this discussion if you're determined to misrepresent the rules to make your argument.Adventuring Druids and Rangers only get animal companions with hit dice equal to their caster level. It's in the SRD. Having animal companions with HD equal to 2 x Caster Level is the exception, not the rule.As for the rest of it:1. Your numbers are worthless, since you're not actually calculating average damage, you're just massaging them in convenient ways to try to "prove" the lion does more damage... If he hits with his +7 bite, and then connects with both rear claws, that is. Not that how much damage the Lion does actually proves anything about the relative usefulness of that Unarmed Strike and Animal Friendship through levels 1-20, anyway.2. Animal friendship is that great, eh? The Intelligence 2 Dire Lion that weighs 3500 pounds and is 20 feet long, but only has an AC of 15 and 60hp is going to crawl through the dungeons with you, and charge into combat to provide flanking?The reality of the matter is that it's too big to be able to adventure along with a party (most of the time), doesn't have enough AC and hit points to survive at level 10 (learned that through experience), and is as dumb as a rock.  It's not a party member, it's cannon fodder, which is why most Rangers end up leaving them behind... They're inconvenient and it's bad role-playing to constantly let them get mauled or killed. Finally, giving away Core class abilities... First of all, I'm talking about CORE classes, and you're talking about PRESTIGE CLASSES. Second, last time I checked PrC's weren't in the habit of giving Fighters full arcane spellcasting abilities and familiars, giving Druids Bardic Music, giving monks Weapon Specialization, Favored Enemy and Rage, etc, all on top of their current class abilities. I'm sorry if you can't understand the difference.</blockquote>

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