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<blockquote data-quote="Raith5" data-source="post: 6097377" data-attributes="member: 56051">My 3rd ed campaign ground to halt at about 12th level because of the combined effects of monster summoning wizard and animal summoning druid. The problem was both at the table where it took ages for the casters rounds to resolve and in game with 3 or 4 summoned creatures. They were also useful with traps etc.I agree that 4th eds approach was pretty severe with shared actions, but I quite like the idea of a healing surge or hp penalty. There should be some limit on what summoned creatures. I imposed that summoned creatures were dazed on the first turn of summoning in 3rd but this was not enough. I never had the same problem with henchmen in 1st ed - precisely because there was a greater investment in them they had names and had the ability to say &quot;no I will not fight those demons which are 15 feel taller than me&quot;.Just spitballing: but one thought is that summoned monsters should have names and if they die, that type of monster can be used by the caster until they level up or such.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Raith5, post: 6097377, member: 56051"] My 3rd ed campaign ground to halt at about 12th level because of the combined effects of monster summoning wizard and animal summoning druid. The problem was both at the table where it took ages for the casters rounds to resolve and in game with 3 or 4 summoned creatures. They were also useful with traps etc. I agree that 4th eds approach was pretty severe with shared actions, but I quite like the idea of a healing surge or hp penalty. There should be some limit on what summoned creatures. I imposed that summoned creatures were dazed on the first turn of summoning in 3rd but this was not enough. I never had the same problem with henchmen in 1st ed - precisely because there was a greater investment in them they had names and had the ability to say "no I will not fight those demons which are 15 feel taller than me". Just spitballing: but one thought is that summoned monsters should have names and if they die, that type of monster can be used by the caster until they level up or such. [/QUOTE]

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