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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sunking" data-source="post: 5099023" data-attributes="member: 87198">ok its not that i don't want gods to dieThe prime reason is that sirion think that mortals should be allowed to live free and not having gods running around messing their world up, all the arguments are just to try to win some suport for his way of thinkin (remember lawfull) and secondly I diden't think that I would pass when i suggested it but sirion had to try. About epic spells thats just so broken the factors you can use to reduce the DC with are among some of the tings that gods have no problem with, so in no time you could have +10 permanent to all stats just to mention a little flaw normaly it undeath that are extra good at reducing this DC but beside the no need for sleep and food we also have XP each week to burn a Whole church who can sacrifice spell slots and the gold to make these spells, personaly I woulden't allow it to normal PC's and we have just so many more bonuses secondly it realy boosts casters with nothing coming close to the same for the non-casters</blockquote>