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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8307875" data-attributes="member: 18">Not an FF class expert here I must admit so I don't fully know the implications, but they seem to Jack-of-all-trades caster with their own special casting ability, not bad. Certainly close to how most D&D Bards are than the FF Bard-classes I've seen, which tend to be pretty wild (and likely impossible to replicate in tabletop, at least in some cases).Okay fair enough, maybe I overreacted a bit (though I'm not sure my argument is actually wrong) but you were "musing" about straight-up deleting Bards, a class I've played regularly for 30+ years, and replacing them with "mind mages with a background":Sucks if you feel my detailed explanation as to why not do that is somehow insulting, but you're not exactly the first person to suggest deleting Bards because you think they could be replaced with some sort of "mind wizard", so it's not addressed solely at you. Another common suggestion I thought to debunk in the process, which you didn't even mention, was the "music mage", where people think Bards are solely about playing instruments or singing - it's a common theme but it's a part of what Bards are, not their sole focus. And I do find these suggestions usually come from people who don't really play Bards.I have to say I don't really get why Bards get singled out for this kind of stuff. They're a class with a long history and distinctive traits, which regularly get totally ignored in favour of "just delete them and replace them with X" where X is a fundamentally different concept (often an interesting one worthy of its own class).I guess it does happen to other classes. Rangers often get the "Just make them a Fighter with Nature proficiency!", Paladins have been given "Just take a few levels in Cleric!" for a long time, Warlocks get told their class is just a theme for another caster, and I bet if we dug long enough we could find someone telling Rogues/Thieves that really they should just be a Fighter with some proficiencies or something lol.I do agree that Wizards maybe have a bit "too much" spell-wise. I think they need to maybe be recast as the "do everything" caster rather than "THE Caster which everyone else is merely a pale shadow of!".That's really not coming across in the examples I can find of the Red Mage. He appears to be a Jack of all trades caster, whereas the Mesmer in GW1/2 is a tightly focused mind/illusion caster (it was my main in GW2, note, and I always had one in the party in GW1) who was particularly focused on debuffing and interrupting enemies.But like I said, I'm not an FF expert. Does the FF Red Mage also focus on mind/illusion spells?</blockquote>

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