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<blockquote data-quote="B.T." data-source="post: 6000942" data-attributes="member: 84465"><p>I'd tell you to prove that Paizo's mechanics were good, but that would be trollish.</p><p> </p><p>Let me make a list of things that are bad:</p><p> </p><p>• Monk class. Terrible mess of sorta-kinda full BAB and far too many attack rolls.</p><p>• Fighters are still bad, as are shadowdancers.</p><p>• The assassin class losing spells is a huge nerf.</p><p>• Rangers, cavaliers, and inquisitors have too many mechanics.</p><p>• Full casters are still too powerful overall.</p><p>• Arcane Strike is a terrible feat. +5 damage at level 20? Lol.</p><p>• Combat Expertise is a useless feat tax that punishes fighters who want to do something besides HIT REALLY HARD.</p><p>• The entire line of Achievement feats are really awful and require finicky book keeping.</p><p>• The Disruptive feat increases the DC to cast defensively by +4. PLUS FOUR. Meanwhile, wizards who don't suck don't care.</p><p>• Wind Stance/Lightning Stance require you to give up your full attack in order to gain a 50% miss chance (terribad).</p><p>• Fleet is +5 feet to your speed for a feat.</p><p>• Nimble Moves lets your ignore all of five feet of difficult terrain. You can dump two feats into Acrobatic Steps to ignore up to 20 feet. What a deal.</p><p>• Strike Back is the worst thing in the world because you have to ready an action to use it. Again, if you're wasting your full attack, you're losing in 3e.</p><p>• Vital Strike line is almost good but requires three feats to make it good.</p><p>• (Greater) Penetrating Strike ignores up to 5/10 points of damage reduction. loooooool</p><p>• Most of the Improved [Combat Maneuver] feats are fairly underwhelming.</p><p> </p><p>That's material I'm familiar with. I would love to go through Ultimate Combat with a finetooth combat but I'm not going to waste my time with that level of terrible.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="B.T., post: 6000942, member: 84465"] I'd tell you to prove that Paizo's mechanics were good, but that would be trollish. Let me make a list of things that are bad: • Monk class. Terrible mess of sorta-kinda full BAB and far too many attack rolls. • Fighters are still bad, as are shadowdancers. • The assassin class losing spells is a huge nerf. • Rangers, cavaliers, and inquisitors have too many mechanics. • Full casters are still too powerful overall. • Arcane Strike is a terrible feat. +5 damage at level 20? Lol. • Combat Expertise is a useless feat tax that punishes fighters who want to do something besides HIT REALLY HARD. • The entire line of Achievement feats are really awful and require finicky book keeping. • The Disruptive feat increases the DC to cast defensively by +4. PLUS FOUR. Meanwhile, wizards who don't suck don't care. • Wind Stance/Lightning Stance require you to give up your full attack in order to gain a 50% miss chance (terribad). • Fleet is +5 feet to your speed for a feat. • Nimble Moves lets your ignore all of five feet of difficult terrain. You can dump two feats into Acrobatic Steps to ignore up to 20 feet. What a deal. • Strike Back is the worst thing in the world because you have to ready an action to use it. Again, if you're wasting your full attack, you're losing in 3e. • Vital Strike line is almost good but requires three feats to make it good. • (Greater) Penetrating Strike ignores up to 5/10 points of damage reduction. loooooool • Most of the Improved [Combat Maneuver] feats are fairly underwhelming. That's material I'm familiar with. I would love to go through Ultimate Combat with a finetooth combat but I'm not going to waste my time with that level of terrible. [/QUOTE]
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