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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Argyle King" data-source="post: 6003246" data-attributes="member: 58416">I keep reading this and trying to come up with a way to express myself.  I'm in a very odd position when it comes to 4E.  I don't/didn't necessarily dislike the game, but there were times when I felt I was somewhat mislead about the kind of game it was.On that note (and to stay on topic,) I would say that I found a lot of the 4E DMG advice to be generally useful for rpgs, but not necessarily useful for DMing 4th Edition. I know that sounds odd, but that was my experience. I felt as though the game expressed a style of play which didn't exactly match up with the style of play that the mechanical structure of the game seemed to support. That pretty much sums up a lot of the issues I have with the game.  Early on, I looked at the 4E preview books and thought, "this is going to be awesome." I cracked open the first few 4E books (having bought them blindly because of my faith in the brand at that time,) and thought "what the hell is this?" After settling down, I told myself that it was a new edition, and that there would probably be more things released later down the road which would bring the game back in the direction i wanted. IIRC, the designers had even said that was the case at the time.  So, I patiently waited; bought a few more books, and what I was waiting for never came to fruition.  Instead, the game moved in a direction which kept getting farther away from what I had expected.  It didn't help that I was being told "ze game will remain ze same" the whole time I was waiting. I think the last 4E book I purchased was Manual of The Planes.I've had a lot of fun with the game. I just never had a lot of motivation to spend money on it. I'm not entirely sure how to reconcile that in my mind, but that's how I feel. I wont lie; there most certainly were times when I was a hater toward the game. There were several times when I was extremely frustrated*. However, at the end of the day, I can say that I've had fun with it and have enjoyed it.  I just wish a lot of things were done differently.*I felt pretty negatively about the official WoTC response to the smudging problem some of the early books had. Supposedly, the reason for the smudging was acid in the fingers of players.  That is something I can understand as someone who collects comics and takes care to put them in plastic for that reason.However, it seemed strange to me that -supposedly- the same paper and ink and everything had been used for early 4E as what had been used in 3rd Edition.  It seemed strange to me because I have some old 3rd Edition books which have literally been through a car wreck;they were left outside inside of my old vehicle for over a year. Yet, somehow, those books are still in what I would consider better condition than the original 4E DMG I bought.  I had to take a pen and re-write the XP budget table because I had touched it with my thumb the first time i had used it, and most of the numbers started to rub off.</blockquote>

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