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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Emerikol" data-source="post: 6004945" data-attributes="member: 6698278">As your hit points go down, you are aware of getting wounds and growing more tired.  So as you defend each time it is harder and harder to successfully ward off attack.  So yes you do know.  I'm not saying you know 1 vs 2.  But you know you are really low and in danger.  The numbers are an abstraction I agree and a way to communicate the information from character to player.  But the fact you are way low and in danger is not unknown.It's kind of humorous really.  The people who don't mind dissociated mechanics (as defined elsewhere) are thinking dissociatively about all kinds of things.  Thats an interesting revelation.  Are you actually trying to argue that while your character is dead and you are not as a player that it's dissociative.  Come on.  At that moment your character has flatlined.  No need to worry about dissociation.  You could devise a world and/or game where all character classes are magical.  You'd probably want some non-magical types as npcs.  Thats not D&D.  Thats not a game I'd be all that interested in playing but you could do it.  At that moment the issue would not be that it is dissociative but rather just not the game I'm looking for.  ------------Well for one I'm reserving judgment on CS.  So far since CS dice are available every single round it represents the fighter choosing to use his skill to defend more or to attack more.  Meaning he can defend every single time but there may be times where he'd rather press the attack and take more chances.  I suspect some of the things a fighter will be able to use these dice for though will be dissociative.   The guardian speciality is clearly dissociative since its 2/day.The explanation is that the fighter is blocking the enemy.  Attempting to turn aside the blow.  Sometimes thats not 100% successful.  Meaning partial damage is averted.If it is allowed after the attack and/or damage has already been rolled then yeah I'd say that is dissociative.  The fighter should have to choose to defend before the attack roll is made.I definitely wouldn't hold up 5e as a perfect example of non-dissociative mechanics.  It's not rife wth them though at this moment.  I do have fears they will go this way though.  If they do then I'll find another game to play.</blockquote>

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