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<blockquote data-quote="Emerikol" data-source="post: 6005633" data-attributes="member: 6698278">There you go again.&nbsp; I'm sure there are many reasons to hate 4e.&nbsp; I have many such reasons.&nbsp; But this particular reason is distinct.Write rules that are not plot coupons.&nbsp; I believe 95% of the time the rule can be written so it's not a plot coupon and thus a lot of trouble avoided up front.&nbsp; If though they refuse to acknowledge that a clear set of issues exist for a lot of people then they will crash and burn just as 4e did.I get that you can't figure it out.&nbsp; Nothing is clearer.&nbsp; A lot of us do get it especially on this issue.It is not.&nbsp; For those of us that recognize it as a problem, we all agree what is an isn't.&nbsp; It's people who deny their existance that have the issue not us.&nbsp; We are in unity.&nbsp; I read the dissociative mechanics blog and it rung completely true and I wrote my own blog about the same exact issue and gave almost the exact same explanation.&nbsp; We get it.&nbsp; You don't.&nbsp; Stop acting like what we get is not a game mechanic issue for us and that it is a distinct class of mechanics.You are right.&nbsp; Your inability to even grasp what we talk of means I should stop talking with you about it.&nbsp; If I discover the devs on 5e don't get it either then I'll assume the game is going to be no good and move on.&nbsp; Somehow I think they won't have the same problem you do.Unless you are saying meta-gaming is my issue, I find my issue more pressing.If they showed me their mechanics ahead of time, I could likely point out simple adjustments in many cases and you wouldn't even realize my hand had been on the rules.&nbsp; In some cases perhaps you would of course.I think as a 4e fan you are the least capable of realizing the problem.&nbsp; You probably enjoyed 4e more than any other edition.&nbsp; But I bet the majority (not all) of people who don't play 4e, would rather play any other edition.&nbsp; I'm in that group.&nbsp; Here's just a few off the cuff things I think 4e did wrong at launch1.&nbsp; Plot coupons with daily powers for martial characters.2.&nbsp; Common mechanical structure. (AEDU).&nbsp; - 5e is avoiding3.&nbsp; Utility magic very different and mostly moved to rituals.&nbsp; - 5e is avoiding.4.&nbsp; Every class completely silo'd with it's own power set. - 5e not sure5.&nbsp; Martial healing, healing surges, the whole healing system.&nbsp; - 5e has yet to avoid.&nbsp; They have promised modularity here.6.&nbsp; Attitude.&nbsp; We are right and superior.&nbsp; You are wrong.&nbsp; - 5e is avoiding7.&nbsp; Magic items.&nbsp; Snooze fest.&nbsp; - 5e not sure.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Emerikol, post: 6005633, member: 6698278"] There you go again. I'm sure there are many reasons to hate 4e. I have many such reasons. But this particular reason is distinct. Write rules that are not plot coupons. I believe 95% of the time the rule can be written so it's not a plot coupon and thus a lot of trouble avoided up front. If though they refuse to acknowledge that a clear set of issues exist for a lot of people then they will crash and burn just as 4e did. I get that you can't figure it out. Nothing is clearer. A lot of us do get it especially on this issue. It is not. For those of us that recognize it as a problem, we all agree what is an isn't. It's people who deny their existance that have the issue not us. We are in unity. I read the dissociative mechanics blog and it rung completely true and I wrote my own blog about the same exact issue and gave almost the exact same explanation. We get it. You don't. Stop acting like what we get is not a game mechanic issue for us and that it is a distinct class of mechanics. You are right. Your inability to even grasp what we talk of means I should stop talking with you about it. If I discover the devs on 5e don't get it either then I'll assume the game is going to be no good and move on. Somehow I think they won't have the same problem you do. Unless you are saying meta-gaming is my issue, I find my issue more pressing. If they showed me their mechanics ahead of time, I could likely point out simple adjustments in many cases and you wouldn't even realize my hand had been on the rules. In some cases perhaps you would of course. I think as a 4e fan you are the least capable of realizing the problem. You probably enjoyed 4e more than any other edition. But I bet the majority (not all) of people who don't play 4e, would rather play any other edition. I'm in that group. Here's just a few off the cuff things I think 4e did wrong at launch 1. Plot coupons with daily powers for martial characters. 2. Common mechanical structure. (AEDU). - 5e is avoiding 3. Utility magic very different and mostly moved to rituals. - 5e is avoiding. 4. Every class completely silo'd with it's own power set. - 5e not sure 5. Martial healing, healing surges, the whole healing system. - 5e has yet to avoid. They have promised modularity here. 6. Attitude. We are right and superior. You are wrong. - 5e is avoiding 7. Magic items. Snooze fest. - 5e not sure. [/QUOTE]

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