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<blockquote data-quote="Ahnehnois" data-source="post: 6006025" data-attributes="member: 17106">Who are these people who wanted 4e dead?I think it's pretty clear that WotC wanted 3e dead because someone wanted to get away from the OGL, but clearly they failed at killing it. Certainly many D&amp;D fans reacted defensively, and justifiably so. But that doesn't imply some sort of separate anti-4e agenda.I don't think anyone wanted 4e to fail, they just wanted it to be good.Sales aren't players. Essentials was an act of desperation because they saw this coming, but whatever market share they had was never that large and was already declining.Sure didn't address my stated demands.It's not.For a non-rpg, it would be, but D&amp;D is too open-ended to be analyzed in this way.Again, I don't know where this victimization comes from. No one hates balance, and if there was such a thing as a balanced game it would probably do great. And while many people dislike 4e, often vehemently, sometimes to excess, I don't think it's the balance they dislike, and the damage it did to the hobby is pretty hard to refute. Again, most people just wanted it to be good, and felt that it wasn't.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ahnehnois, post: 6006025, member: 17106"] Who are these people who wanted 4e dead? I think it's pretty clear that WotC wanted 3e dead because someone wanted to get away from the OGL, but clearly they failed at killing it. Certainly many D&D fans reacted defensively, and justifiably so. But that doesn't imply some sort of separate anti-4e agenda. I don't think anyone wanted 4e to fail, they just wanted it to be good. Sales aren't players. Essentials was an act of desperation because they saw this coming, but whatever market share they had was never that large and was already declining. Sure didn't address my stated demands. It's not. For a non-rpg, it would be, but D&D is too open-ended to be analyzed in this way. Again, I don't know where this victimization comes from. No one hates balance, and if there was such a thing as a balanced game it would probably do great. And while many people dislike 4e, often vehemently, sometimes to excess, I don't think it's the balance they dislike, and the damage it did to the hobby is pretty hard to refute. Again, most people just wanted it to be good, and felt that it wasn't. [/QUOTE]

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