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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6006689" data-attributes="member: 22779">You're actually going to point to EARLIER editions to support the idea that there's no difference between PC's and regular people?&nbsp; Really?&nbsp; I suggest you go back and open your 1e or&nbsp; Basic/Expert books and read the monster sections.&nbsp; You'll find rules for Normal Human, or something to that effect.&nbsp; And they certainly AREN'T PC classed individuals.&nbsp; In fact, the Basic D&amp;D book specifically states &quot;A normal human does not have a class&quot; (Basic Rules p B40).AIR, the 1e DMG did have some basic ideas for NPC classes - a witch IIRC - but, very little beyond that.So, can someone please explain to me why orcs are always 1st level warriors and not fighters in 3e?&nbsp; After all, they certainly qualify as fighters and you'd think a race that fights all the time would be baseline fighters, not warriors.&nbsp; Or, better yet, Hobgoblins.&nbsp; Here we have a race that's described as a pretty straight up warrior race.&nbsp; Yet, for some reason, they never get very good at it.&nbsp; Most of them you meet will be 1st level warriors, with those with character classes will be considered elites.&nbsp; And, again, going back to the actual text of the rules:Funny that.&nbsp; PC classed individuals are presumed to be significantly better overall than other members of thier race.&nbsp; How much evidence do you folks really need here?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 6006689, member: 22779"] You're actually going to point to EARLIER editions to support the idea that there's no difference between PC's and regular people? Really? I suggest you go back and open your 1e or Basic/Expert books and read the monster sections. You'll find rules for Normal Human, or something to that effect. And they certainly AREN'T PC classed individuals. In fact, the Basic D&D book specifically states "A normal human does not have a class" (Basic Rules p B40). AIR, the 1e DMG did have some basic ideas for NPC classes - a witch IIRC - but, very little beyond that. So, can someone please explain to me why orcs are always 1st level warriors and not fighters in 3e? After all, they certainly qualify as fighters and you'd think a race that fights all the time would be baseline fighters, not warriors. Or, better yet, Hobgoblins. Here we have a race that's described as a pretty straight up warrior race. Yet, for some reason, they never get very good at it. Most of them you meet will be 1st level warriors, with those with character classes will be considered elites. And, again, going back to the [i]actual[/i] text of the rules: Funny that. PC classed individuals are presumed to be significantly better overall than other members of thier race. How much evidence do you folks really need here? [/QUOTE]

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